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Old 11-08-2011, 04:30 PM
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What great input!

As you have seen I already have a weak sauce proc setup, but I think i am going to put my hand into getting a Poison Wind Censor, maybe a lammy or two.

Has anyone tried dual wielding say a High Damage weapon (wurmslayer) and a proc weapon (Obsidian Shard)? If so, what kind of aggro would that generate?

In my experience on live there came a point where if I wasn't using excellent ratio weapons with aggro procs I would not have an easy time holding aggro over rogues, monks and shaman (slow). I'm having aggro problems with my warrior on p99, but none of my procs were ready yet. My warrior is fairly twinked out and can tank the shit outta stuff (I just have so much more AC and HP than everything I'm fighting at level 15) but it's useless when the rogue in my group is KILLING me in dps and holding aggro.

I feel like the 6dmg of the shard isn't going to hang with kunark equipped dps classes, but the proc may be the saving grace. The Goblin Skull Crusher has a nice aggro proc (not sure of the rate yet), but 7/32 is just too slow. My two hander is decent dps (26/50) but i swing so slow I lose aggro with that one too (this may change post 20).

I'm leaning towards a good ratio weapon with proccing aggro in offhand, that way I have both high dmg output and random procs for aggro lock.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:33 PM
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If you are going to have one proccing weapon, put it in your main hand. Offhand proc rates are automatically cut in half.

If that is the direction you are going, put a wurmy in offhand for occasional big strikes. And honestly nothing I have seen (prior to 37) competes with Obsidian Shatter, so I'd recommend sticking with the shard over the skull crusher.


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Since our dex cap is 255, main hand proc rate scales from 0.5PPM @ 0 DEX -> 2.0PPM @ 255 DEX.
Cut that in half for offhand.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:34 PM
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proccing in the offhand is pretty pathetic, it's about half the normal proc rate even at high levels.

get a poison wind censer, it seriously is beast until it starts proccing and it is dirt cheap for how good it is. it's probably better dps than the lamentations until the low to mid 40's anyway.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:46 PM
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I think i am going to put my hand into getting a Poison Wind Censor
It's a great choice. I literally saw one for 750 on Sunday. Glad it got logged.

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shaman (slow)
Taunt is actually the way to handle that. Mob gets pulled to group, shaman slows and takes aggro, you taunt which gives you shaman aggro +1, suddenly you have a huge head start on everybody else in the group. Taunt is much more reliable at higher levels and against blue mobs than it is at low levels and against red mobs. Slow normally isn't even a requirement at your level.

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I feel like the 6dmg of the shard isn't going to hang with kunark equipped dps classes, but the proc may be the saving grace. The Goblin Skull Crusher has a nice aggro proc (not sure of the rate yet), but 7/32 is just too slow. My two hander is decent dps (26/50) but i swing so slow I lose aggro with that one too (this may change post 20).
You are very right here. The damage on the shard is too low so that when it doesn't proc, it's pretty worthless. The GSC is too slow, and that 2h won't be very good until you're at least 20, but even then, it's kind of slow.
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:10 PM
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Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation
Depends entirely on procs.

I did try this last weekend on a level 20 warrior with a 20 monk in group. With the shards I had agro maybe 30% of the time (dex 165). In fights where they proc on the first swing you hold agro the whole time, the problem is that is few and far between.

However using a poison wind censor I held agro for about 99% of the time, and even held agro against a shard-weilding 23 warrior who joined later, except of course on the rare occasions when they proc'd.

Think about it...even with fully twinked dex, below level 37 you're looking at maybe 170 dex with a shaman in group. That equates to ~1.5 procs per minute (both hands combined). In a good lowbie group you're killing 2-3 mobs per minute. You simply can't hope for procs on every mob, let alone at the beginning of the fight.
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