Best rogue weapons?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you value the Crys Spear over the FSS Hasbin? You've made this comment before and it just doesn't add up for me.

I think sky is a special case, where fss probably outperforms cs, but everything else being equal, the parse logs of cs are quite a bit higher than fss. I thought that was counterintuitive as well, but you can't argue with math.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think sky is a special case, where fss probably outperforms cs, but everything else being equal, the parse logs of cs are quite a bit higher than fss. I thought that was counterintuitive as well, but you can't argue with math.

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[Aesop]

12/22 VS 13/30 doesn't just seem counterintuitive it just seems wrong. We're talking about 1 dmg less for 8 delay - idk doesn't seem to make any sense at all.

[Pyronost]

Necro old threads much?

Last Post: 02-24-2011, 01:49 PM

[Shiftin]

that list isn't right anymore. backstab used to hit for the maximum more often than anything. Now it hits for the minimum more than anything, which is determined based on your level rather than your weapond damage (post 50 at least). You were getting the full value any extra damage point in relation to backstab.

Now that you backstab for the minimum 40-45% of the time, you want the fastest 10 damage piercer you can find until you can get ragebringer (no epics yet), sky dagger (none exist yet), FSS (not avail really until stanos is put in game) etc.

[Vondra]

Well this is a necro'd thread but eh...a trak tooth (10/20) is probably anyone's best bet for effectiveness vs cost (Runs about 10k, usable from 1-60 no problem).

Course if you have more money and want to get something slightly better, have at it.

[Snaggles]

yea, this is an old thread.

Still, I think I would still give the edge to the Crys Spear over a Trak Tooth. Fight per fight your gonna see more peaky dmg but at max level and double backstab 3 mainhand damage is a big deal. You will also not have to worry about aggro as much. Then again, how much more plat is it? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A general guideline could be approximately (I do mean approx) 1 dmg for 5 delay penalty. Going for speed at max mainhand bonus your melee will climb and your BS will drop which means per fight your average will be more consistent and your sole dependence on BS drops.

Fact is with a rogue at max level even with a Jade Prod and anything in your offhand the class mechanics will produce massive numbers.

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea, this is an old thread.

Still, I think I would still give the edge to the Crys Spear over a Trak Tooth. Fight per fight your gonna see more peaky dmg but at max level and double backstab 3 mainhand damage is a big deal. You will also not have to worry about aggro as much. Then again, how much more plat is it? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A general guideline could be approximately (I do mean approx) 1 dmg for 5 delay penalty. Going for speed at max mainhand bonus your melee will climb and your BS will drop which means per fight your average will be more consistent and your sole dependence on BS drops.

Fact is with a rogue at max level even with a Jade Prod and anything in your offhand the class mechanics will produce massive numbers.

Yeah the Crystalline Spear is pretty expensive. If one wants to spend a bit more to get a slight improvement over the trak tooth, I would think a better idea would be the Rapier of Orin (12/25 +5 str +5 sta +5 agi) which runs I think 25kish or less. I would think that would outdps the Crystalline Spear's (13/30, no stats). Spear also costs a little more I think.

[Shiftin]

When you backstab for the minimum 40-45% of the time (which has nothing to do with weapon damage), outside of using disciplines, you have to place more weight on the ratio of the weapon. The faster the weapon, the faster your damage bonus is being applied. A faster weapon does not mean you backstab more often, that timer is only modified by outside haste.

The trak tooth is absolutely the best mainhand you can get for that price, until you want to step it up and get a SCD. The only reason raiding rogues who have done the parses even carry a vox spear is to swap in for duelist backstabs because of the how the duelist modifier works.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you backstab for the minimum 40-45% of the time (which has nothing to do with weapon damage), outside of using disciplines, you have to place more weight on the ratio of the weapon. The faster the weapon, the faster your damage bonus is being applied. A faster weapon does not mean you backstab more often, that timer is only modified by outside haste.

The trak tooth is absolutely the best mainhand you can get for that price, until you want to step it up and get a SCD. The only reason raiding rogues who have done the parses even carry a vox spear is to swap in for duelist backstabs because of the how the duelist modifier works.

My notation on making backstab count just means if the mob turns because your group is full of toolboxes and you slam your button to the mobs face it's frustrating. You do this much with a 30 delay weapon and you have no melee to fall back on. I know it doesn't effect recycle time.

Price is the key factor. You sure about the parses on the trak tooth vs crys spear? I don't know the accuracy of EQ DPM's desktop calculator but it shows the tooth at a substantial loss. People who carry it and swap it every 6 seconds of course don't worry about this. Always been a speed fan myself so I hope you're right.

Edit: As an aside for the non min-maxers the idea of springing for a Crys Spear vs a Trak Tooth doesn't really make sense. When a "substantial" is 10-15% on already a huge amount of DPS your paying out the nose for something that will be irrelevant come epic quests.