This server needs Uthgaard back.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Youmad? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so behind all the bullshit, this is what is really happening:

TMO kited the mob while they got ready so TR couldn't pull it. TR, knowing that the GM's are not enforcing the raid rules, took the law into their own hands and took the dragon off of the TMO puller. Both actions were against server rules.

If the raid rules were being enforced, TR could have petitioned, and the mob would have been theirs. They are not being enforced. This left them in the position of either rolling over when TMO broke the rules, or breaking the rules themselves.

Next time, the roles will probably be reversed. Will TMO let TR kite the dragon until they are ready to engage? Maybe, but my guess is no. Either way, the raid rules will have been broken. Guys, stop with the pretense. This server just went FFA, and it's going to stay that way until the GM's decide to enforce the rules.

TMO rolled over once, i doubt it will happen again.


WTB GUILD WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quido]

Nice art. Most people don't consider how slow Sev runs. Sev never sows himself and runs slow as hell. So even if your puller does swing out a little way for whatever reason, the distance it adds to that dragon's incoming pull path is marginal, short of extended and blatant kiting of course.

[HowWeRoll]

Originally Posted by Youmad? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so behind all the bullshit, this is what is really happening:

TR Decised that TMO is kiting the mob while they got ready, even though TMO had twice the number that TR had in zone. TR, knowing that the GM's are not enforcing the raid rules, took the law into their own hands and took the dragon off of the TMO puller. TR's actions were against server rules.

If the raid rules were being enforced, TR could have petitioned, and the GM would have told them to mind their own business. They are not being enforced. This gave TR the opportunity to break the rules, consequence-free.

Last time, when the roles were reversed TMO let TR kite the dragon until they were ready to engage. Either way, only TR broke the raid rules. Guys, stop with the pretense. This server just went FFA, and it's going to stay that way until the GM's decide to enforce the rules.

Changed the important parts for you.

[Swarws]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

from everything i've heard/seen/read whatever. This all happened like this. (without any times added to it)

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

[Francois]

Originally Posted by Samuel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reminding the public that several members/officers in TR were suspended for cheating and are now back in your guild only sounds like a broken record to the guilty.

To the rest of us, it is still a significant event.

I don't care that he wants to say that. Saying it more than once per thread gets tiresome tho.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Swarws [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

What kind of terrible puller would tag a mob and run full speed to camp with the KS'ing and aggro stealing that TR has shown to do in the past, as well as currently? I think its pretty safe to say that with Sev's run speed being so slow, as a puller you would want to ensure that the dragon isnt being stolen by one of TR's KS pullers (McBard, Franswa) and not just assume the dragon is going to remain aggroed to you. By default this would extend the time to much longer than running with bard speed from 1 spot in a zone to another. I think we are all in agreeance that TR thought that a mob was kited and decided to take it upon themselves to KS a mob that they didnt have FTE on. Not sure what else there is to argue here.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Swarws [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

You're exaggerating. Have proof that he took 7 minutes?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Swarws [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

I haven't seen the fraps. If I had, i could comment more. I'm just going off what i've seen said and the little i gathered on vent before i turned it off.

I woke up to the sev pop, turned my phone off, logged in and switched to our raid channel in vent. They were talkin about how many clerics we didn't have. I hit character screen and entered on stealin. I was in-game put up LFG, soon as i got my group i heard we had 2 clerics and they called the pull. Heard Drol say it was getting pulled then. 2mins later Sev's pet was in camp (usually arrives slightly ahead of Sev) and then we found that you guys pulled him off right before he was to end up in our camp.


You can call TMO shady and they were blatantly kiting if you want, but from what i've heard of this, it's not near as bad as the kite i watched on Draco awhile back and instead of us pulling what you guys did, we just camped out and said "fuck it".

A fraps (edit: Of Sev) would show (the kiting), but no one has shown a fraps. From my eyes I don't see him kiting it unless he pulled it before people on vent said to pull him. If it was 5-6mins of kiting, why wait till the last min? after 3mins you guys should have called kiting in /ooc and pulled him off. Instead, no one from TR said anything and pulled him right before he got close to TMO.


I'd be the first to say otherwise with proof (fraps), but until then, i can only go off what I experienced.

P.S. not posting seriously on this until further evidence.

[Francois]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one of TR's KS pullers (McBard, Franswa)

I've never KSed anyone. Please give me an example of when you think I did this.

[Zigfreed]

I completely agree. Fix your squabbles please. From my very incomplete knowledge of happenings it looks like you guys dug yourself a lose-lose situation.