Not a whine but can we please fix melee?

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Takshaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I know this may be beating a dead horse here, but I found something on the old castersrealm comment threads that may be of interest.

This link popped up in the magician bugs thread and it had to do with Magician phantom armor.

Quote is taken from this page:http://web.archive.org/web/20010523050159/eq.castersrealm.com...


This may explain why we are having problems with AC not working correctly? If what this guy is saying is true then your total AC is not just what effects the amount of damage that you take, but AC from agi/defense has an effect on chance to hit and ac from armor/spells affects damage taken. This is figured separately on the server, but you are just given a single number on your inventory screen.


*EDIT: Just incase some of you don't know Abashi was a Verant employee. I think he was in charge of public relations or something like that.

What I don't understand about this is .... is monk ac different than warrior ac?

Wouldn't a monk get damage mitigation if they had the same ac? Do monks just get a large amount of ac from dodge/defense/block skills and agi and very litte from armour? Hard for me to understand this.

Example:

1) Monk gets 75 ac from defense/agi (avoidance)
2) Monk gets 35 ac from equipment (dmg mitigation)

1) Equivalent warrior gets 35ac from defense/agi (avoidance)
2) Equivalent warrior gets 75ac from equipment (dmg mitigation)

(both have 110 ac displayed on the character/inventory window)

It also seems to me that most monks will have less overall ac than a warrior, and even though they'll have higher avoidance, they'll tend to take more damage and be inferior tanks because they have less mitigation. To solve that, they'd have to be twinked to have the same ac, and thusly get the mitigation bonus that'll make them equal to the warrior in defensive tanking. BUT, unless they can also get their hp to the scale that a warrior enjoys, they'll never trully be the tanking equal of a warrior.

I get this sense that monks feel they should avoid almost every blow and defensively tank equally as well as a warrior just because they have a better avoidance ability. Thing is, monks are dps and have always been dps. They're not tanks. I've seen twinked monks tank, but if your main tank is an average equipped monk then you're going to need some extra help. In classic EQ, rangers sometimes tanked, but I don't ever remember monks tanking (sorry to you monks out there). Monks want to be tanks AND dps AND pullers AND what else??

Can't be everyting, sorry monks!

If there's one thing I can think of monks that might help make them feel better... it's that you could probably go without armor longer than most others and still take hits ok. Leather doesn't have very much ac compared to plate. If all this is true, then I'd think that monks are more skill based when it comes to defense. Naked monks! Coincidentally, you can go without weapons and you still do respectable h2h damage. Take a normal (read: non-monk) melee's weapons away, and they're worthless. Don't go over 15wt!

Take this post with a grain of salt. You can even reply to my post and say STFU or "I read it with a grain of salt." That'll make me perfectly happy and I expect a few to react as though I were threatening their life.

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