Interesting post, and a warning..

[Silikten]

Well, one could argue you destroyed the population by leaving due to not being able to hang. There are many arguable cases which is my point. Don't throw blame. It's irresponsible.

As far as your experience. . .It sounds like you just couldn't make friends. Not sure what to say.

Aesop, I completely agree.

[Aesop]

ofc this is BETA but I worry people are taking their cue from it, which I suppose on launch day I need to roll a mage and white knight zones for the first couple weeks to ensure my precious bluebie population stays.

[Silikten]

Yeah man. Get a bigger group of nice people and teach the dickheads how its done imo. I'm all for that!

Seriously, I would love to see the aholes get owned by people.

[Sniperfire]

WHATS WITH ALL THE qq

[Morninx]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, saying false accusations like this is what will get you griefed. Nobody likes people who throw around responsibility like none of it is their fault. Second, if you intend to respond by saying "I never played with the VZTZ crowd" (whatever the fuk you mean by vztz crowd) then you are commenting on something to which you have no idea about. Another reason why people will dislike you. I already do.

I played on VZTZ, there were incredibly nice people and very awesome GMs. The reason it got shut down was hacking. Not grief. People's idea of grief are totally different. One may be killing him while on a CR and he quits. Another may be training him twice. Some people just can't get over the fact it is just a game.

Also, Nilbog, along with several other people liked the idea of item loot. But people like you feel that is "griefing." So what exactly is griefing?


Lastly, EQ has always been a PvP game. The best one I have played. As Fuzzy stated, the only reason to PvE is to be the top at PvP, period. It is incredibly easy to beat a game. INCREDIBLY EASY. To beat something that can adapt and evolve, like a player, is considerably harder.

VZTZ servers were awesome. Sure there was a little hacking and that was what ruined the servers. I didnt really care, i enjoyed the focus on PvP. If i got beat or got "griefed" or corpse camped or trained... I logged off and lived my real life and then came back later. IMO VZTZrs view this box as a game(as it should). Bluebies play EQ too seriously. Training/Griefing/Corpse Camping(maybe not too extreme) is all a part of what makes the game interesting... Learn to Adapt..

As for item loot. that was a badass concept on live but unfortunately it discourages PVP and also has people running around bagging their gear instead of fighting. Even loss of money discourages PvP.

Encouraging PvP should be the #1 goal of a PvP server.

[Morninx]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Meant to say Loss of experience on a hard classic experience rate server (not loss of money, use a bank) discourages pvp.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VZTZ servers were awesome. ...

VZTZ sure was great, I especially loved how selo's and sow worked indoors.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Encouraging PvP should be the #1 goal of a PvP server.

Exactly. A lot of people want xp death just so they can inflict emotional harm on someone. I would really just rather have fun fighting people.

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VZTZ sure was great, I especially loved how selo's and sow worked indoors.

K&B had the 2 minute selo version in, it owned hard

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a little hacking

Lol. How about .... lol.