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04-10-2010, 03:01 PM
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1.) Alcohol has both medicinal and recreational uses - Antiseptic; and if you drink enough you die.
I don't know of any doctors who will "prescribe" you alchoho. It's more self medicating This is a baseless argument. Substances which doctors can prescribe must be licensed. In fact, many licensed drugs do contain various forms of alcohol, and are prescribed every day. His point however, was that different forms of alcohol are used in different ways. In fact, he was saying that drinking recreational alcohol was one of the bad ways in which alcohol was used by comparing it to the antiseptic nature of topically applied alcohols (e.g. isopropyl). Furthermore, Marijuana is a licensed medication, which doctors do prescribe to people who do need it. This is indisputable in spite of the many people who take advantage of the current system to obtain scrips for questionable reasons. 2.) While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html .. and if you consume enough nicotine you die. Smoking is bad for you. Thanks captain obvious. You ignore his obvious main point, which is that the government would have no problem with pot if it wasn't smoked. Meanwhile they have absolutely no problem with people smoking cigarettes, which is far worse for you than smoking weed. Before you come rushing here with your evidence about how marijuana contains 5x more benzopyrene than tobacco by mass, consider that each cigarette contains 1.5 grams of tobacco; most smokers smoke between 0.5 to 2 packs of cigs per day; I live in fucking California, I hang out with some of the heaviest hitting bong destroyers known to man, and I don't know a single person who smokes 15-60 grams of pot to their head per day. 3.) No one has ever died from Marijuana Directly, no. Indirectly, I would beg to differ. Although I dont have the time or energy to do the research. I'm sure some idiot did something stupid because they were high and died. Evidence please. The propaganda of the high guy who hits a little girl coming out of McDonalds is simply that: propaganda. I defy you to come up with some kind of valid evidence that shows that pot-use related accidents even occur, much less at a rate comparable with the amount of accidents which occur due to the use of alcohol. You dropped your pocket.. 4.) Alcohol prohibition didn't work, and alcohol even kills people who dont use it (physical abuse, accident victims). So no one has ever died because they got into a car accident with someone who was high? Quite frankly, no. At least, if it ever did happen, it's an extremely rare case, and probably due more to other factors rather than use of THC. See above. Show evidence before you make totally outrageous claims. 5.) Cannabis is non-toxic and is not processed in the liver like most pain medications, making it an extremely valuable tool for sick patients who's bodies cannot take any more $$ pain "medications". I would agree with you on this. But since weed can't kill you then it should just be made legal and let people self-medicate them selves. I totally agree with you. However, research funding is more likely to be granted if it's part of "the system." Did you know you have an entire system in your body who's only function is to metabolize cannibinoids? The science of the cannibinoid system: how it works, how it affects the other systems, how it can be used to deliver others kinds of medications, and therapeutic uses of different forms of cannibinoids, etc., is thin right now, and mankind could benefit greatly from knowing more about it. Case in point: Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. Neurogenesis is the formation of NEW NERVE CELLS. This is something previously thought impossible, and could hold the key to many new breakthroughs, the least and most obvious of which is restoring movement to people who have suffered trauma to their spinal cord.. I mean seriously, POT? ..but it's true dude. 6.) Hemp seeds and hemp oil are highly nutritious. Yea thats what Im having for dinner tonight. You probably eat more hemp-derived products than you're aware of. The facts stand behind him, hemp derivatives contain many trace elements and the "right" kinds of oils that your body needs. Look it up dude. Just because you personally don't like the idea of it, does not mean that what he is saying is not true. 7.) http://www.cocaine.org/violence/index.html Cocaine isnt good for you??????? Right. You're ignoring his point again. Let me spell it out for ya. Cocaine, arguably the second most socially accepted illegal recreation drug, has a huge history of causing major problems with people and the way they think and act. There is a shit ton of evidence saying why cocaine is fucked up for people and how it hurts the individuals who choose to use it, their friends and families, and innocent people caught by circumstance. The implied point therefore (which you ignored) is that there is no similar wealth of evidence saying what is wrong with pot. There are only ~ two or three short term "negative" side effects to smoking pot, and they certainly do not include promotion of violent tendencies. There are zero long term negative side effects to smoking pot. 8.) Look at this propaganda... take away THC and smoking, and there is no argument. http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html The link you provided is such a broad statement. Although it does mention marijuana, it is talking about all drugs. Putting weed in that category is not right, but they are not just talking about weed here. Well hopefully, I am fulfilling your desire for pot-specific talk here. What he is saying is that most of the argument against smoking pot is propaganda. Do you know where the term "Marijuana" came from? It was invented by a US Government official to sound "menacing and mexican." They literally took an unrelated mexican-spanish word that sounded evil to ignorant americans, and changed it slightly and put it on pot. I kid you not. The propaganda behind demonizing pot started around the turn of the century, and has not let up for one simple reason. It's extremely hard for your average Joe to set up a liquor distillery in his backyard which produces a form of alcohol which will not kill you. People would rather spend the money (generating TAXES) to buy liquor they KNEW would not kill them than moonshining in their back yards. However, with pot, you throw a seed in the ground, and it grows. The government KNEW that most people would choose to smoke pot over alcohol (less violence, better "high," less loss of inhibitions, etc.), so when prohibition ended, they kept the propaganda demonizing weed. They called potheads crazy lunatics who went around jumping off buildings. Evidence sir. Find it. 9.) Cannabis poses a lower threat than heroin or cocaine in part because its distribution and abuse are not commonly associated with violent crime. It may not be common, but from first hand experience I have seen many violent crimes done as a result of the buying/selling of marijuana. Not because of the consumption though of course. This is true, but it is more of a product of MONEY'S influence than marijuana. If you take pot out of the hands of criminals, this problem completely evaporates (see: Amsterdam). 10.) You can grow it for free and it works. Lobbyists for Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals, Timber, and even Military Contractors will lose money if people can use this plant again. I think it would be better to point out how much money government organizations and industries will SAVE and MAKE if it it legalized. Not how much money people will LOSE. Both arguments hold water. The recreational alcohol industry stands the most to lose from legalization of marijuana. Tobacco would, and in fact they are lobbying with alcohol, but in fact most major tobacco corps already have patents and samples of their brand of cannabis cigarettes. A&T have a long history of supporting each other, so Tobacco isn't making any huge overtures for legalization, but they probably will not end up losing too much money. What he is saying is that certain POWERFUL organizations stand to lose a LOT of money if weed is 100% decriminalized, and so they are fighting hard to keep the propaganda machine against pot rolling, as evidence by your vehement ignorance (no insult, but the fact is that you are being vehement in your arguments against pot, and you are obviously un- or mis-informed). 11.) People will not stop using cannabis. Any social costs will remain, including the cartels increasing profits and power. The only logical stance is to get tax revenue to offset these potential pitfalls, and in some cases, eliminate an enabling situation that allows criminals to profit. Bad argument because you can say also that people will not stop using heroin either, but does that make it right to legalize it? Even though I agree that this is a bad argument, you say so by implementing false analogy. Heroin has a long history of being detrimental, which is easily found with the assistance of google. This also hearkens back to the first point, because heroin is nothing but an opiate, and opiates are prescribed every minute of every day in hospitals around the world. 12.) You sleep like a baby if you use Cannabis. true true
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04-10-2010, 03:45 PM
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Hasbinbad... you saved me so much time [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Hmm.. I forgot, because im a stoner... but since RJ reynolds and others own snack/food co.'s, they will be ok... especially with their new line of pre-packed blunts, premium edibles, and green dragon brew. all available at your fine liquor store, licensed by the state. convienently, there are all ready trucks on the way to these stores that can accomodate boxes of goods!! Hurrah! ------------------------------------------ FURTHERMOAR Placement on schedules; findings required Except ... The findings required for each of the schedules are as follows: (1) Schedule I.— (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. – alcohol, cigarettes???? (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. – patent for CBD held by US gov. for medical utility (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision." – medical marijuana laws? other countries that have lower usage rates even though its legal? -- http://www.hemp.com/ Industrial Hemp or “hemp”, can provide many of the raw materials we need as a society to function. Hemp food, hemp oil, hemp plastics, hemp insulation, hemp concrete, hemp paper, and other hemp composites all available today! And yes, the list goes on and on. Plus, Hemp is both Eco-friendly and Renewable. Hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world producing about 10 tons of dry product per acre per year. Hemp was one of the first plants to be processed and used by humans making the history of hemp over 12000 years long! Industrial hemp, learn more and get active with hemp eco-products! --- MJ is fine. Your brain is the only problem. | ||
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04-10-2010, 04:01 PM
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04-10-2010, 06:12 PM
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04-11-2010, 02:17 AM
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Poor Finawin, the drunken class clown.
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04-11-2010, 06:25 AM
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04-11-2010, 06:28 AM
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basicly it says that in germany, if legalized it would add 530 MILLION euros per year from sales, it would also save 1,5 BILLION euros for lawsuits and persuation of cannabis users ... it would create roughly 13500 new jobs, from wich the state would profit with roughly 200 million euros in income and social taxes ... so to me that is quite some amount ... even if the numbers arent that high, and it just summs up to 1 billion a year ... its still a no brainer ...
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