For those thinking about making a Bard to aoe kite

[citizen1080]

You are citing worse case scenario like it is the norm...i aoe kited in OT from 42 to 49. I NEVER trained a group once...I NEVER took mobs right around a group. I would CC and then avoid water hole/ledge/ramp as needed and pull the rest of the mobs away from those groups. I kited in a remote corner that no one used. I pulled 80-100mobs a kite every time and I never had a group bitch about me being in the zone.

I also was smart enough to only do this on weekdays when the zone was quiet instead of trying to do it prime time.

Yea I got gibbed once in awhile but if you're good deaths are kept to a minimum.

I also was bound in OT...so if I did die after 5 seconds of loading screen I would shout that a kite was heading back to their bind points so beware.


It's not rocket science to AOE kite and still play nice with other groups. Obviously you have dealt with some bad bards which has lead to your illogical nerd rage on the subject. Step back, breath, and remember. It's just a game.



The one place i don't think is doable for us to AOE kite is City Of Mist...I did some 30+ mob kites there..pulling all the bridge and arena but it was hit and miss. The pathing there is so bad you're 50/50 on getting them tight enough to kill or them splitting and gibbing you and training any other groups in zone.

[hotstud]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pitiful comparison considering druid/wiz mobs are snared, and druids and wizzies don't attempt to pull the entire zone, even mobs right out from under the noses of other groups and solo characters.

Think about it, the average group is probably killing a monster every 15 seconds or so. The average quadder maybe every 30 seconds to a minute. This easily beats mob respawn so even with constant pulls their impact on the other players in a zone is minimal.

Asshole bard wants to kite 100 mobs because his aoe dots are so pathetic it would take him an hour to kill 1 mob with them. Might as well kill all the mobs to make it worthwhile.

So Mr. Asshole takes 100 mobs in a huge unwieldly train that will kill anything it touches, including him, instantly.

Now it is going to still take him an hour to kill these 100 mobs, so assuming a spawn time of 3 minutes, he is taking 2000 possible monster spawns away from other players. The average six man group is taking maybe 10 spawns. Because the mobs actually have time to, and do respawn.

Add to this the fact that Mr asshole is only milliseconds away, a single lag spike, from instant death. And so is everyone he trained past.

Hey, crybaby.. if a mob isn't engaged it's open for killing. It takes me 20 minutes to pull every mob in OT that I want and kite them down. Might want to check your numbers. I also haven't died in 3 levels or several hours of kiting. You really just have no idea what you're talking about...

You know what I hear? "I WISH I COULD KITE LIKE A BARD, QQ"

People like you are why MMOs suck these days. No room for anyone to do anything that takes skill because some little crybaby is going to cry on some forums about it because they aren't good enough to do it themselves.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by hotstud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, crybaby.. if a mob isn't engaged it's open for killing. It takes me 20 minutes to pull every mob in OT that I want and kite them down. Might want to check your numbers. I also haven't died in 3 levels or several hours of kiting. You really just have no idea what you're talking about...

You know what I hear? "I WISH I COULD KITE LIKE A BARD, QQ"

People like you are why MMOs suck these days. No room for anyone to do anything that takes skill because some little crybaby is going to cry on some forums about it because they aren't good enough to do it themselves.

Oh brother, if you think kiting some L30 something mobs makes you "leet" you have a lot to learn.

Oh and from your post about intentionally training someone I think we have identified one of the "asshole" bards.

Originally Posted by hotstud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would also like to apologize to Zial the Druid. I accidentally aggroed a mob he had snared (thought it was a roamer) which of course transferred his aggro to all my mobs. I ran his snared mob to guards and started kiting. About halfway through suddenly the mobs took off running so I ran up ahead and found Zial was low on health from a fight. Started shouting, "RUN BITCH RUN" but he was AFK and got owned. Sorry Zial.. P.S. Please post the screen shot your guild mate took of me "training mobs", I would like it for my personal collection.
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Not knowing you at all I would imagine you to be a 15 year old with a face full of pimples who hasn't seen daylight in years.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My main is a rogue and let's face it, I can't solo, period. But I can't always find the perfect group either, so sometimes dungeons aren't always the best option if I'm looking xp. You're argument is stupid anyways because most of the zones in the game are outdoor. Just because you can't aoe kite in a dungeon doesn't mean you are entitled to every other zone in the game. There are plenty of places that are virtually empty all the time why do you have to do it in places that are known for being heavily populated?

You don't need the perfect group to do dungeons. You just need a tank, a healer, and a DPS. If you have those things and you are in an outdoor zone, then you would be better off moving to an indoor zone because you will get better EXP and loot. If you're just duoing with a druid or something, it makes sense to be in an outdoor zone, but these 4-6 person groups I see in Oasis or Overthere or LOIO always confuse the hell out of me.

My argument isn't about entitlement: it's about what options people have. Bards, druids, and wizards who are soloing can for the most part only do it effectively outdoors. People who are grouping in groups of more than 2 are better suited indoors. When groupers decide to go outdoors, which is to their own detriment, and then are annoyed or confused as to why they see bards soloing there, it makes me wonder why they don't just go into one of the many dungeons in the game.

[hotstud]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh brother, if you think kiting some L30 something mobs makes you "leet" you have a lot to learn.

Oh and from your post about intentionally training someone I think we have identified one of the "asshole" bards.

Not knowing you at all I would imagine you to be a 15 year old with a face full of pimples who hasn't seen daylight in years.

Yeah, I intentionally trained the guy who knew he had aggro on all my mobs and decided to stick around anyway and get below 10% health then sit down to med up and go AFK. I can't help it when retards like you and this guy don't understand how aggro works.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by hotstud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I intentionally trained the guy who knew he had aggro on all my mobs and decided to stick around anyway and get below 10% health then sit down to med up and go AFK. I can't help it when retards like you and this guy don't understand how aggro works.

The point of the matter is that others shouldn't have to be inconvenienced by your bad pulls, you don't own the zones and we shouldn't have to make way for your trains. Although it is pretty funny watching you guys fall hard, after about the 3rd or 4th time it just gets annoying

[Waffen]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The average quadder maybe every 30 seconds to a minute.

30 seconds to a minute to kill mobs in a quad? pass me them eq roids son!

[hotstud]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point of the matter is that others shouldn't have to be inconvenienced by your bad pulls, you don't own the zones and we shouldn't have to make way for your trains. Although it is pretty funny watching you guys fall hard, after about the 3rd or 4th time it just gets annoying

Yeah I remember once when I died I only made 2 yellows instead of a full level. It sucked.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by hotstud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I remember once when I died I only made 2 yellows instead of a full level. It sucked.

Good for you bro, nobody is impressed

[Roanoke]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point of the matter is that others shouldn't have to be inconvenienced by your bad pulls, you don't own the zones and we shouldn't have to make way for your trains. Although it is pretty funny watching you guys fall hard, after about the 3rd or 4th time it just gets annoying

The point of the matter is people are going to bitch and moan no matter what, just like you are. You could spend your time whining like a child or make the best of it. Bard kiting is a part of EQ, get over yourself.