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Old 09-16-2011, 12:14 PM
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Haha a 7% edge would be so ridiculously exploitable that no casino would consider dealing blackjack if it were regularly possible. Theoretically if you were counting cards and the count was ridiculously in your favor then for a single hand or two you could approach a 7% edge but by no means could you have that edge over any significant run of hands.

Not to mention that I'm sure that post is considering single deck blackjack which is barely spread anywhere anymore, and when it is the payout on a blackjack is 6-5 instead of 3-2 which steals another 1.4% of your equity on any given hand.
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:34 PM
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Can you tell when someone is counting cards?

Most BJ dealers are very cool and give players advice on basic strategy alone, like hitting on a 12 count when dealer shows a 2, but not when dealer shows a 5 or 6 because dealer is more likely to bust.
While the casino I worked at was fairly large (one of the largest Indian casinos in the country), most of the tables had CSMs which make counting cards not possible. On the games that we did have 6 deck regular blackjack, I feel like it would be pretty easy to identify a card counter for me. Some dealers would be oblivious though, for sure. The hard part about being a dealer is dealing with assholes, not actually dealing the game, so there are some pretty dumb dealers.

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I haven't really gambled but I went to a casino once and the dealers were incredibly ignorant about blackjack actually. This wasn't vegas so perhaps thats why, but they were giving advice like "You don't know my face down card, so you should assume its a 10 value card", which is something you should never assume.
You tell new players this as a rule of thumb so that they don't do stupid shit like stay on 14 against a dealer's 7. It's very hard to explain how to properly play blackjack without overwhelming them in the brief period they are usually at the table. If an exception to the rule comes up while playing, you explain it then. Also, the phrase should be "play as if the dealer's down card is a 10", not "assume the dealer's down card is a 10".

There are definitely dealers that give out wrong advice, but they're usually pretty easy to identify. They're either new or dumb. But dealers live off tips (usually are paid minimum wage but make at least 2-3x that in tips, way more in Vegas), so they will help you out in any way they can.
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:41 PM
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wrong b/c the hows knows my theory beats them so they require a somewhat high mimumm bet and set a maximum bet.
You're either a terrible troll or don't understand math... I can't decide which though. Table limits are there to control variance, or in the case of table minimums to make sure the table is generating enough money to be worth the room on the casino floor.

If you don't believe me (and why would you, I'm only smarter than you and worked in the industry for five years), here's a link for you: http://www.wizardofodds.com/gambling...ngsystems.html
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:43 PM
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Not to mention that I'm sure that post is considering single deck blackjack which is barely spread anywhere anymore, and when it is the payout on a blackjack is 6-5 instead of 3-2 which steals another 1.4% of your equity on any given hand.
This. The casino that I worked at had single deck blackjack, but not only did blackjack pay 6-5, but we cut the deck in half and only used the top half, usually two hands for a full table. Also, all cards were face down until they needed to be revealed, usually at the end of the hand. Good luck getting an edge over the house with those variables.
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:17 PM
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That is not true. Basic strategy doesn't put you above house odds.
Read my post again; I never say ABOVE house odds, I just say cancels the odds. With a single deck, it's practically zero. With 6-8 it is around 0.5% as you said. This is of course all theoretically. It is much harder to actually play at a large casino, with all the distractions, drinks, girls, and bling.

If you count cards and adjust not only your betting but your bidding according to the count, you can definitely overpower the house significantly (7% is IMO conservative). It's all about consistency, following your own set rules (like leaving a table after losing a certain amount of hands). I believe in math and theory but you can also develop a sixth sense about the dealer, the attitude of the pit boss, and your surroundings, when to continue, when to run.
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:19 PM
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This. The casino that I worked at had single deck blackjack, but not only did blackjack pay 6-5...
The single deck is mouth-watering. The payout on BJ is horrid. No thanks!
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:25 PM
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But dealers live off tips (usually are paid minimum wage but make at least 2-3x that in tips, way more in Vegas), so they will help you out in any way they can.
Dealers aren't rich and tipping them accordingly makes for a great playing atmosphere. I always wanted to punch that guy in the head who was streaking at $1000 mins and throwing the dealer $5s. I always do 10% every third or forth win. I figure I'm still going to be up in the long run and I don't really do it as a profession, just to have fun and walk away a winner.
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:51 PM
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WTB Texas Holdem in game. for PP.. who is w/ me bros? Get this shit coded asap... fuck being classic
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:03 AM
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Hey gambling beast, how about letting us in on some picks for this weekends college football and NFL games
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:09 PM
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heres a pick for the entire season.

OU = number 1
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