Game Mechanics: Player Armor Class (Long)

[greatdane]

I don't have anything of value to add, but it really surprises me just how insignificant of a difference there was between warrior and knight numbers. They're mostly less than 1% apart, confirming my belief that there really is no tangible advantage to a warrior tank (other than slightly higher HP) until defensive discipline comes into the picture.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have anything of value to add, but it really surprises me just how insignificant of a difference there was between warrior and knight numbers. They're mostly less than 1% apart, confirming my belief that there really is no tangible advantage to a warrior tank (other than slightly higher HP) until defensive discipline comes into the picture.

Yep, there are really only a few things that factored into the AC equation that made a Warrior a better tank than a Hybrid. Pre-Kunark was even closer.

Warrior Defense Cap 252 and Class AC Bonus
Paladin/Shadowknight Defense Cap 230 and Class AC Bonus

Pre-Kunark:

Warrior Defense Cap 210
Paladin/Shadowknight Defense Cap 200

[Treats]

Added Class Bonuses from Raw AC
Added Iksar Race Bonus
Better Table for Agility
Figured Human/Iksar Monk Hardcap -- May not be correct

[Werlop]

So if this is accurate, monks should be even better? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pudge]

wow - awesome post! great research

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if this is accurate, monks should be even better? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The numbers are very high for them. Keep in mind though that those caps were not even attainable for a Monk until high end Velious (ToV/Dain/Yelinak/Tormax/etc) with multiple pieces of all/all gear. The Warrior/Hybrids are still equipping Plate and the Monk is still equipping Leather with an added factor of weight (Monk goes over - loses AC) in Kunark.

Comparison in Raw AC from Best in Slot gear in Kunark era:

Warrior - 291 Raw AC
Monk - 135 Raw AC

[Treats]

Added the numbers on Raw AC for Casters (Nec/Wiz/Mag/Ench). Used Raw AC Level Cap from other classes.

(Raw AC * 4) / 3

60 - (289 * 4) / 3 = 385
59 - (275 * 4) / 3 = 366
And so on

[Jimjam]

Sorry for necro, I've been looking for a replacement source for the Agility table linked to in the OP, which is now a dead link.

This thread seems the most appropriate place to dump it and the details for prosperity. The numbers in my link seem accurate, though incomplete. They resemble what I remember being in the original link. I hope to one day find another copy of the complete table that was previously posted.

https://www.angelfire.com/rpg/whitew...des/accalc.htm

Also was archived close to classic era, possibly even before the PoP AC revamps:

https://web.archive.org/web/20021229...des/accalc.htm

		Level		Agility
40+	20-39	7-19	1-6	
-24	-24	-24	-24	1
-23	-23	-23	-23	2-3
-22	-22	-22	-22	4
-21	-21	-21	-21	5-6
-20	-20	-20	-20	7-8
-19	-19	-19	-19	9
-18	-18	-18	-18	10-11
-17	-17	-17	-17	12
-16	-16	-16	-16	 13-14
-15	-15	-15	-15	 15-16
-14	-14	-14	-14	17
-13	-13	-13	-13	 18-19
-12	-12	-12	-12	20
-11	-11	-11	-11	 21-22
-10	-10	-10	-10	 23-24
-9	-9	-9	-9	25
-8	-8	-8	-8	 26-27
-7	-7	-7	-7	28
-6	-6	-6	-6	 29-30
-5	-5	-5	-5	 31-32
-4	-4	-4	-4	33
-3	-3	-3	-3	 34-35
-2	-2	-2	-2	36
-1	-1	-1	-1	 37-38
0	0	0	0	 39-65
1	1	1	1	 66-70
5	5	5	5	 71-74
39	33	23	9	75
40	33	23	10	 76-79
41	34	24	11	80
42	35	25	12	 81-85
42	36	26	12	 86-90
43	36	26	13	 91-95
44	37	27	14	 96-99
45	38	28	15	100
45	??	29		 101-105
46	??	29		 106-110
47	??	30		 111-115
47	??	31		 116-119
48	??	32?		120
49	??	32?		 121-125
50				 126-135
51				136

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Added Class Bonuses from Raw AC
Added Iksar Race Bonus
Better Table for Agility
Figured Human/Iksar Monk Hardcap -- May not be correct

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