Raiding on P1999

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Woah, relax. Your post is full of assumptions. I never said I wanted things handed to me. In classic mobs weren't just handed to guilds - the guilds had to actually kill them, for one. Secondly, I just want things to be classic. The fact that there are other non-classic things on this server is irrelevant - it's still a pareto improvement for the server to have one more non-classic issue fixed even if it means that not everything else can be fixed. Thirdly, this has nothing to do with my guild (I'm a free agent and I'm allowed to speak for myself), nor does it have to do with requiring higher attendance. You've participated very little in the raid scene if you think that's all it boils down to. The crux of the problem is that the majority of raid-capable guilds on this server simply don't have the time to poopsock or track mobs through outrageously long windows, for reasons I already explained. And again, like I already said, it's not some indication that the top guilds are just too "uber" that they get very little competition - it's that the current ruleset actively discourages competition and limits entry into the raid scene to the people who have no lives outside of eq. So, calm down, and actually read what people say before responding to them.

Your post is full of assumptions if you think that TMO/TR members sit online ALL DAY everyday poopsocking spawns.... most of the time both guilds camp out buffed at the major target (trak, or vs w/e) and then when a tracker sees that the mob pops a tweet goes out and both guilds mobilize for the target..

To just say.. oh we cant sit online for days at a time poopsocking is just an excuse.. if you want these mobs you will do what it takes to get them... things arent going to change just to serve the middle of the road guilds that have 1-2 grps of people that will actually login or track for a mob right when it spawns or is in window.

It just so happens that the people that want to camp out and mobilize are in the top 2 guilds because they actually care about getting to the content first.... naturally they want to play with other people that are just as dedicated.

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by Tycko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to raid on p99, expect to spend ungodly amounts of time playing everquest. If you are a normal 9 to 5 citizen, look forward to patch days for full repops so you can take a few shots at raid mobs while the people with no lives fight for the high priority targets.

This is BS and a cop out...sorry or the double post but there are alot of uninformed people here that just want to use the excuse that "tmo/da/ib/tr" members have no life etc etc....

Just because others are more focused and refined at everquest doesn't mean they have no life.. I work 50 hours a week at a gaming company, have a family, snowboard and various other sports and still had more than enough time to raid with DA...

Its all about proper time management and using tr tie you have effectively.. If your whining and saying you HAVE to have no life to raid p1999 then your a delusional noob who needs to step their damn game up..

[Humerox]

And thus the thread devolves.

The fact is, content is being withheld by the developers because people can't work out solutions. Stop defending what hasn't worked and start working on what will.

[Nivar Quartz]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're enjoying the current raid environment as it is. Mob variance is good, everyone in both raiding guilds has to commit lots of time in tracking and mobilizing. Whoever said that you just need scores of poeple to raid on this server is ignorant. Theres a lot more to it than that and if you dont want to spend time in this game you dont deserve the spoils. We work hard in TMO to get those kills and TR works hard too.

Work harder and youll get raid mobs too. or you can try and whine about a rotation on forums, that sure is less time intensive.

As far as Veeshan's peak goes, I'm sure both guilds and the management will come to a decent agreement.

This pretty much sums it all up, nice job for once nizzar, once.

Oh except the part about TMO and TR and management working out a rotation for VP, or agreement, funny how you start compromising once Vp gets locked for the asshattery that's been going on.

Honestly who can't use twitter/batphones and camp out raidbuffed, ur no more committed than any of the other raid guilds, you'll just go to farther lengths ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor.

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

[Webwolf]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're enjoying the current raid environment as it is. Mob variance is good, everyone in both raiding guilds has to commit lots of time in tracking and mobilizing. Whoever said that you just need scores of poeple to raid on this server is ignorant. Theres a lot more to it than that and if you dont want to spend time in this game you dont deserve the spoils. We work hard in TMO to get those kills and TR works hard too.

Work harder and youll get raid mobs too. or you can try and whine about a rotation on forums, that sure is less time intensive.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Nivar Quartz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

Except that other capable guilds aren't going to feel obligated to honor a rotation that excludes them. You know what that would lead to, lol. It has happened before. Yes?

[Zenlina]

Originally Posted by Nivar Quartz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh except the part about TMO and TR and management working out a rotation for VP, or agreement, funny how you start compromising once Vp gets locked for the asshattery that's been going on.

Honestly who can't use twitter/batphones and camp out raidbuffed, ur no more committed than any of the other raid guilds, you'll just go to farther lengths ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor.

These two top guild are going to negotiate with each other, the rest of you are just wasting time.

O i want to bash on div so bad right now but its against my guild policy so will try keep it civil. Div has been on the server pretty much the longest, yet you guys are not at the top of the heap. Being around quite a while would mean you have more experience with the raid scene and better solutions to get the bosses yet havent. This to me would mean either your guild management is bad or the leadership is bad. Plus please stop speculating about tmo/tr since we never deal with you guys in over 5 months.

"ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor" - You get this info 2nd/3rd hand from forums?? This is what i mean speculation, unless you deal with either guilds direct (On the raid scene) try to not throw it out there like that.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Zenlina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O i want to bash on div so bad right now but its against my guild policy so will try keep it civil. Div has been on the server pretty much the longest, yet you guys are not at the top of the heap. Being around quite a while would mean you have more experience with the raid scene and better solutions to get the bosses yet havent. This to me would mean either your guild management is bad or the leadership is bad. Plus please stop speculating about tmo/tr since we never deal with you guys in over 5 months.

"ie training, rule lawyering, your drama is the reason you have one competitor" - You get this info 2nd/3rd hand from forums?? This is what i mean speculation, unless you deal with either guilds direct (On the raid scene) try to not throw it out there like that.

One person from our guild said something you didn't like, and so you bash our whole guild? How would you feel if this standard were applied to you?

edit: I edited most of my post out because it wasn't very civil. Let's all try to be civil, please

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One person from our guild said something you didn't like, and so you bash our whole guild? How would you feel if this standard were applied to you?

edit: I edited most of my post out because it wasn't very civil. Let's all try to be civil, please

i agree people should be civil but the crap you guys base your assesment of TR/TMO is straight up forum troll asshatery.. its annoying to keep hearing.. oh TMO and TR people have no life thats y they get teh loots..

its just old and its obvious that people that want to play a certain way play that way and theres nothing wrong with that.. if your a casual raiding guild your not going to get HARDCORE raid targets.. sans a server wipe.

[Fists]

I wanted to state the trend in these threads. Players that bitch about poopsocking and spending countless hours online waiting on a mob, are players that are not in TMO or TR. Players in TMO and TR, do not bitch about poopsocking. Let me explain why to all you clueless kids who cannot seem to grasp the strategy that we use.

A. Get 60, get gear, get resist pieces, essentially play your toon until you have nothing else to do excluding farming plat, or getting raid gear.
B. Camp out at trakanon buffed, for his window. Note the word camp, you are not online staring at a spawn. Also note A. we don't have anything else to do, so therefor we enjoy outside things while we wait.
C. Yes, one person does track, but he does not sit there for 12 straight hours. Our tracking is generally done by a wide range of players in small 1-2 hour shifts.

- Guilds that would like raid mobs, do some research on spawn windows, get your 60's prepped and ready, and come compete. Quit bitching that in reality, TMO and TR gets EVERY raid mob with only needing to play for about 30 minutes a week.

Mythoxxus - TMO.

*** To the guy who said normal 9-5 people can't raid. I take 5 classes at UCLA and work a 20 hour a week job. I've also shown up for every mob this last week. It's not as bad as you guys make it out to be!