Little GM intervention as possible

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Not_Kazowi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see your point buhbuh but street justice really is the answer. Anyone who represents fair play will be treated as an equal, me being from a large top guild or not. I was not always in #1 guild revered by the server, i spent plenty of time as an outcast or in a smaller guild.


My experience is that if you are looked at as a fair guy, then people just wont fuck with you. Sure there will be the guild full of shit heads like gloinz or vigg who will uncontrollably grief you for the luls but they will make their life hard on the server by doing that.


There is no perfect answer or solution to a euphoric server, but I personally believe that little GM intervention, and a reputation based server policy will really be the best.

I don't know where you get your knowledge and server experience from but this isn't at all how it worked on my server on live.

On TZ the "outcast" guild was the top guild on the server. Crossteaming was outlawed on the server and was basically unthinkable until Pandemonium came along. Pandeminum banded together and decimated the rest of the server's egos.

Look around you at the TZ/VZ crews and what they want to do. Do you really think they'll "band together" for the benefit of the server? Heck no, they're going to grief people off the server as much as they possibly can, because that's what they enjoy.

[solid]

gonna grief kope off the server, that's 4 sho

[Kope]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gonna grief kope off the server, that's 4 sho

How many accounts do you have Macken?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gonna grief kope off the server, that's 4 sho

That's something I don't really understand actually and maybe someone can explain it to me. What joy do you get in griefing someone until they leave the server? You're deminishing the server population and your fun along with it.

Maybe if you got something for it, or knew the server would last past it (SZ), but this is a niche population with a non renewable source of people playing on the server. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot over and over with this mentality.

*Edit*

How many dead servers do you need to understand that?

[Tombom]

Originally Posted by Cwall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Harrison's arguments based completely around ad hominem sure are fun to read.

I started playing a game where I would come on the forum after a while and take note of how often he repeats the words "cesspool", "vztzject"(by the way, this term will never catch on no matter how cool he thinks it makes him sound), "inbred", and "scum" in the threads that I happen to see him post in.

It's almost every single post, by the way, except for when he's posting in a thread on the blue section of the forums that isn't a bluebie circlejerk. In that case, it's still pretty high, but not quite every post.

cwall quickly becoming my favorite poster.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Not_Kazowi

Sorry dude, I'm on the internets briefly before I roll out with my super model GF. Just typing stuff out asap. You obviously don't know who you're messing with.

aaand that's where you lost all credability

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Alex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aaand that's where you lost all credability

internet is srs business pal

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's something I don't really understand actually and maybe someone can explain it to me. What joy do you get in griefing someone until they leave the server? You're deminishing the server population and your fun along with it.

Maybe if you got something for it, or knew the server would last past it (SZ), but this is a niche population with a non renewable source of people playing on the server. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot over and over with this mentality.

*Edit*

How many dead servers do you need to understand that?

learn 2 not take people so serious.


Pretty sure this server isnt going to be team based (o god i hope not) and im basically speaking off MY experience as i stated pal. VZTZ lasted for 3 years and had a bustling population for a decent portion of that. I lead Heresy for pretty much its entire duration and think that when a GM is constantly involved in guild politics, that it greatly skews the outcome of events. Just saying that guilds need to figure things out, and if someone is a shit head then let them decide their own fate. Pretty simple.


I'm not saying lets make this SZ but lets not make this a blue version of PVP either.

[fiegi]

All GM's do is throw kerosene on a burning fire 85% of the time.

[Buhbuh]

Silikten, if that was your attempt to pigeonhole me, then you are correct. I would train the fuck out of someone if they did it to me, GIVEN that no rules prohibit it. I'm fully aware that "eye for an eye leaves everybody blind," so to speak, but this is EQ, so fighting fire with fire was/ is sometimes the only option.

The people who seem to think I'm some sort of champion for bluebies need to recognize the fact that I was a monk for my entire EQ career on TZ. I was an officer of a guild directly under PDM, and I was the one who implemented and stressed the anti-pussy, fight fire with fire game play.

But that doesn't mean I enjoyed it! I enjoyed TZ for others reasons. On some occasions street justice brought me laughter and some joy during the times we'd actually beat PDM, but it made many a situation giant cluster-fucks of bind rushing, training, and both guilds never advancing toward their goal, etc.

It's a giant headache either way. I have absolutely no problem training the shit out of anyone at any time. I'll lose experience, bind right outside, delevel to 46 in the planes in attempts to sabotage anyone I see fit. I made it my agenda to have an entire guild act exactly that way on TZ. Veneration were a bunch of pussies that took a train, died, and cried about it. But please don't question my ability to be "hardcore." The point is that I'd just rather not be that way. It wastes so much damn time.

Don't get me wrong-- it will happen. It will probably happen frequently where GM's can't spectate an event between two guilds fighting. Everyone will train as they please. When there's no consequence, people don't care.

So what's the solution? Make people care. Ban the retards who make it their goal to screw people out of spite. People don't train because it's part of the fun game play. It's a way out, a final tactic-- something someone uses when it's clear their own guild or character won't be completing (or get the chance to complete) a raid or mob encounter that someone else has in their pocket.

If there are no rules, I will change my previous statement about starting an ENC, and again just be a monk or go SK. The benefit of having FD within a server of granted chaos is way too good to pass up. I don't even have to PvP. In fact, I won't. I will literally use mobs for every PvP encounter that I can and hopefully get the KS for that big YT, y'all! If not, so be it. They still died. I'm still a boss.