Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by JenJen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive got an idea

stop posting in this bullshit thread!

Please identify the bullshit you're talking about. Everything I have posted is fact... you can't take back what "HAPPENED".

Next time don't hurt yourself by thinking enough to come up with an idea.

Sworen

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Fraggle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR

You're a big cry baby and a terrible player. First, remove yourself from Durison's laughably small penis. Second, hang yourself like you should have done when your guild was raid suspended so many times for being so damn terrible.

You're tough bro... and thank you for welcoming me back with such hatred... It means i'm doing my job [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sworen

[Starklen]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pure emotion, obfuscation, and hyperbole. Again, I don't care about your feelings or your friends. Your raid leader/officer cheated during a competitive raid. He broke the rules. You are defending him "because he is your friend". We are not in high school anymore. This is not a popularity contest. Server rules are not put in place to cater to how Gwence feels.

If an officer/tracker/raid leader uses ShowEQ during competitive raid encounters, their guild should suffer the same punishment. These are the rules and the precedent for this punishment has been set prior by Rogean. What I want to know is why is Rogean not abiding by his own rules and raid suspending your guild for a minimum of 2 weeks. Rogean the community demands an explanation for this obvious double standard.

If TMO officer accounts have been caught by this "hack sweep", then make that information public and inflict the same punishment on them. If you have direct evidence against TMO officers proving they cheat beyond an accusation, then provide that information. Perun admitted his guilt. It's beyond refute.

You're also assuming I'm defending TMO here, which is not the case. Based on the evidence that has been presented though, TMO officers are completely innocent and have been vindicated. TMO officers are playing by the rules. TR/IB is not. So why don't you give me a good reason why your guild shouldn't be raid suspended for at least 2 weeks beyond the flimsy excuse that they "are your friends".



This entire discussion between us has been about how Gwence feels. Not reality. Gwence doesn't abandon his pals, so his pals should be allowed to cheat is basically what you've been saying behind the insults. Because Gwence "feels" a certain way, we're all supposed to just suck it up and allow P99 to be a corrupted box filled with cheaters or something. All the time and effort people have put into their characters, which is considerable, is not as important as Gwence's feelings. The last time I checked, the server doesn't revolve around the way TR/IB membership feels.

Or does it Rogean? I would like a clarification please.

Rogean you know what you need to do. Do the right thing and take the appropriate action.

Your feelings are irrelavent Gwence. You're more concerned about the reputation of hackers and cheaters than you are of the overall health and integrity of the server. Every IB/TR member apparently shares your view which is a sad narrative on how low your guild has sunk. I've yet to see an IB/TR member speak out against your leadership's corruption. Not one.

As long as you stand to gain from your guildmates cheating, you excuse/rationalize it. This is why this server is the way it is. Children like you are running the asylum, and now apparently Rogean has just handed you the keys by allowing this to stand. Uthgaard was the only mechanism left in place that gave this server any credibility/impartiality.

It's sad to see how low the server has sunk. You have people openly defending and excusing cheaters on the forums. When P99 was first created, it was done so with promises that this behavior would not be tolerated under any circumstances. That it would be a fair and level playing field here, since most EMUs are corrupt boxes filled with hackers and cheaters. It's possible that they ran this secret hack sniffing under the impression they would find different results. What we've been witnessing is damage control to keep the server at the status quo potentially. I don't really see any other possible explanation for the blatant double standard and coddling TR/IB is being given here after their officers have been caught cheating.

If you're not going to ban these accounts permanently or wipe the server clean, than wipe those accounts clean, including their characters. Raid suspend the guilds whose officers were caught using exploits during competitive raids. This goes for all guilds whose officers have been found guilty. If an officer is caught again, disband the guild permanently. That's the only way this server will ever gain it's reputation back again beyond just another corrupted box.

As 9/24 approaches and is almost one year since its inception, I feel compelled to repost the rules.

Official Bronson/G13 Drinking Game

This game is meant to be played on a thread by thread basis. Convert points to fluid ounces or whatever metric is suitable for the alcohol you've got. I've had success with malt liquor.

1) Claim to have fraps of an event and fraps is never posted. - 3 points per instance.

2) Claim DA didn't perpetuate poopsocking. - 2 points (max 1 per post).

3) Claim you can't debate him because he's got "facts". - 3 points per instance (max 3 per post).

4) Claim to not care about other posters' statements, "give a fuck", have a "horse in this race", or any appropriate substitute, followed by subsequent posts in the same thread referencing statements or poster not cared about. - 1 point per subsequent post that references that player or anything they've said.

5) Use of bro/brew/bra/scro or any of its substitutes. - 1 point per instance.

6) Use of more than 500 words in a single post. - 5 points per instance.

7) Use of more than 1000 words in a single post. - 10 points per instance. (Add 5 for the 500 word bonus for a total of 15).

8) Use of more than 3000 words on a single thread. - 20 points.

9) Refer to individual as a creature (toad, frog, snake, lizard etc.), common vermin (eg. rat), or insect. - 3 points per instance

10) Refer to P99 as a "beer" or "bush" league MMO (any reasonable substitute that discredits p99, everquest, or mentions the age of the content is appropriate). - 3 pointss per instance.

11) Refer to event that took place at LEAST 28 days prior as he "remembers" it. - 5 seconds per instance (max 2 per post).

12) Any reference to a poster donning circus attire, having a circus profession, or having circus family member or guildmate. - 5 points per instance.

13) Told a poster to "shut the fuck up", "shut up", or "stop lying". - 2 points per instance (max 5 per post).

14) Assertion of respect for a particular individual or organization. - 1 points per instance

As always, add your own house rules.

[Twopair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrSbbcu0gI

[Enygma]

[QUOTE=G13;390943]TR/IB is in the unique situation/position of being the only guild, besides Peace Pipe, to have leadership caught using 3rd party hacks. [B]The other top tier raiding guild's officer core were not caught cheating/using 3rd party hacks during competitive raids.[QUOTE]

LOL TR on par with Peace Pipe makes me lawls.

Sworen

[Pico]

relocate the server to libya, then wipe it

[Littlegyno]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LONG LIVE MAGISTRATE UTHGAARD, DEFENDER OF PROJECT1999, BRINGER OF LIGHT AND JUSTICE, CONQUEROR OF CRIMSON ROBE WEARING ERUDITES

You're gonna be first up against the wall dog.

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LONG LIVE MAGISTRATE UTHGAARD, DEFENDER OF PROJECT1999, BRINGER OF LIGHT AND JUSTICE, CONQUEROR OF CRIMSON ROBE WEARING ERUDITES

Agreed.

Sworen

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I know that some were not flagged Shiftin to say they all were not hit is possible but who knows? Were some simply not caught? Again just speculation but possible. Did they claim to only use it on ez server for those accounts? Heck more and more pure speculation from this point of view. What I was saying was these are ways you could use these programs to gain a clear advantage. You will forgive me if I do not give the benefit of the doubt because it wasn't long ago your people were screaming that it was pure skill and being better then everyone else in fair competition which is why they were getting so many mobs. While there certainly is something to that saying none of your bards were flagged might be true what about the monks? Knowledge is power and if people who are leading and directing have that knowledge I don't care that people in the raid aren't 'using'. That information gives distinct advantages.

I honestly believe because it has proven true throughout time that the surface was scratched. So when people say ' we only cheated this much or benefited it from it this much' I know there is more under the surface and it was much bigger then any of us are aware. But us claiming cheats were just wearing tin foil hats right? And here is another question.

If everyone is cheating by using these programs but only some are using it to get rich which is the greater wrong? If some guy is using showeq playing 3 hours a week and only using macros to tradeskill he isn't really affecting anyone even though he is cheating. It changes when you have a raid guild who is 'dominating' and then this hits. It wasn't like TRmember_00 was found in gukbottom to be cheating so TR gets raid suspended. No, knowing what the history is and the punishment was your raid leader was one found to be using it and granted not the only one. And you expect to be dealt with more favorably?

I am not saying you guys have 'no life' and all that kid insult crap. I am saying that your continued 'dominance' on this server in regards to raid mobs more and more seems a hollow achievement. Every time you have been 'threatened' you try any and everything to out the other guy down. And you honestly expect anyone to give the benefit of the doubt now? Every thing people say you give the 'tin foil' hat nonsense. Of course there are skilled and dedicated members in TR. Of course people bust their ass. Of course not everyone flagged was some scumbag hacking everything to make sure TR got raid mobs. But you can't stand there and defend anything now, the benefit of the doubt was lost if it ever existed. Your talk of an even playing field and fair competition is laughable. Most every guild had people flagged just to show how widespread the problem is and how apparently ineffectual the deterrent is. Is it just another coincidence the only 'raid leader' type to get hit was the 'top raid guild'?

As raid leaders go in this game they carry much influence and directly impact how well their guild raids and as a result are the driving force behind how successful the guild ends up being as far as raids. The same can be said for the top guilds on servers. As they go the server goes. And the direction this server has taken can be directly linked to TR or IB or whatever else. Maybe it was Fish Bait or Transcendence at first I wasn't here and neither were you. But the fact of the matter is for a long time IB and TR have been in a leading position to help move this server in a positive direction and it has gone the opposite. And it is apparent that any means necessary legal or otherwise have been employed for how long?

Are we to believe that these programs were never used to gain an edge? That everyone on the server is just jealous and none of them have any clue about what they are talking? That TR is the only guild with veterans from live or people who know this game or of what they speak when it comes to mechanics and plausibility? We are all just ignorant right? Of course there are people who are jealous and mistaken. But to say that everyone wears tin foil hats now, perhaps you are wearing them.

[Ektar]

starklen what up PAL?!