Item loot from a casual players perspective.

[Yukahwa]

People that will quit over items will also quit over non item loss PVP deaths.

Server pop will hurt when people trying to grind run into people 8 levels above them maxed out in unlootable gear. With 8 level PVP range it means it is going to take 16 damn levels to get out of PVP range from a twinked clown.

Guy that want no item loot are obviously pansys or want to have free reign on griefing once they hit 50 with their mains and can start making twinks. You're sacrificing the entire rest of the game in the name of allowing people to wear mithril greaves when they get them. Gimmie a break.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People that will quit over items will also quit over non item loss PVP deaths.

Server pop will hurt when people trying to grind run into people 8 levels above them maxed out in unlootable gear. With 8 level PVP range it means it is going to take 16 damn levels to get out of PVP range from a twinked clown.

Guy that want no item loot are obviously pansys or want to have free reign on griefing once they hit 50 with their mains and can start making twinks. You're sacrificing the entire rest of the game in the name of allowing people to wear mithril greaves when they get them. Gimmie a break.

QFT

I'd be far more concerned about the VZTZ crowd trying to shit on "bluebies" every chance they get, just for the lulz, with or without item loot, than I'd ever be about some guy quitting because he had a bronze BP looted off him. I mean shit, people like Salty (massive bluebie himself btw) are already trying to make lists of people to grief. These are the people that pride themselves on trying to dwindle the population because of a 'lol i made u rage quit' mentality.

The community that populates the server will affect the longevity of the server far more than anything else will. I can only hope that the VZTZ side is balanced out by enough real PVPers and "bluebies", else we will likely see the same old people trying to grief the population away til there's only those ~50-100 people left logging in on any given night.

And yes, a few months into the server we will likely see twinks popping up. When you can stay at level ~10-14 and bind in gfay with a full set of unlootable twink gear, what exactly will deter you from steamrolling lowbies 24/7? At least on RZ the undergeared could band together and potentially benefit from fighting them off.

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, you ever played pvp

Do you get some kind of gratification pretending you have participated in pvp

[Titanuk]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you get some kind of gratification pretending you have participated in pvp

says the man that left the pvp server for the blue server cuz it got 2 hard out there for him. o and he got banned for cheating

[JayDee]

love you too bro

[Amuk]

Item loot = naked/no drop toon wars, except for sure wins which = noobs getting shit on.

boooooring.

[zixxer]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot = naked/no drop toon wars, except for sure wins which = noobs getting shit on.

boooooring.

I don't know who ever ran around naked pvping, I never saw em, I for one always wore gear because I didn't want to get rooted or snared....along with the best possible cold and fire resists helped as well... Naked = almost guaranteed loss.

[coki]

Ready for a True Story?

Once upon a time when EQ Live first came out, there was a server called Vallon Zek, In the beginning Vallon Zek was item/coin loot in pvp. It was fun and many people had fun times running around and quickly bagging all their gear asap when they were either outnumbered or the person after them was 6+ lvs higher, or they just finished killing a mob and had 50% hp or mana....Many people complained about the item loot, and Thus the Tallon Zek character transfer was born and for a week or 2 straight GM's had a server wide message on Vallon when you logged in that said something like " A new server Tallon Zek is being made with the same pvp rules as Vallon except coin loot only, If you would like to transfer your character over to that server please send a petition with w/e information it was, and we will transfer your character over within a day or two. ....Well it just so happens that around 3/4 the population of Vallon petitioned to have their chars moved over and so the GM's were like fuck that we are just going to make Vallon zek Coin loot only, and they did... The end

I personally had a lot of fun in the old days of Vallon Zek being item/coin loot, ...would i want to do that again? probably not..but it was a thrilling/heart-pounding experience nonetheless

[Foxx]

Originally Posted by coki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ready for a True Story?

Once upon a time when EQ Live first came out, there was a server called Vallon Zek, In the beginning Vallon Zek was item/coin loot in pvp. It was fun and many people had fun times running around and quickly bagging all their gear asap when they were either outnumbered or the person after them was 6+ lvs higher, or they just finished killing a mob and had 50% hp or mana....Many people complained about the item loot, and Thus the Tallon Zek character transfer was born and for a week or 2 straight GM's had a server wide message on Vallon when you logged in that said something like " A new server Tallon Zek is being made with the same pvp rules as Vallon except coin loot only, If you would like to transfer your character over to that server please send a petition with w/e information it was, and we will transfer your character over within a day or two. ....Well it just so happens that around 3/4 the population of Vallon petitioned to have their chars moved over and so the GM's were like fuck that we are just going to make Vallon zek Coin loot only, and they did... The end

I personally had a lot of fun in the old days of Vallon Zek being item/coin loot, ...would i want to do that again? probably not..but it was a thrilling/heart-pounding experience nonetheless

tldr.. cool story bro, nobody cares

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tldr.. cool story bro, nobody cares

ya, sometimes its hard to accept the truth