Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both you and Skope have valid points. I suppose it's utter speculation at this point.

no it isn't. let's get down to business...

Rogean/Nilbog, is there any chance you'd punish these people far more severely than the current punishment that's been handed out? This will seal any chance of me coming back and will mean i delete my forum account as well. So do me a solid and let me know, you'll be saving me and others quite a bit of time.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no it isn't. let's get down to business...

Rogean/Nilbog, is there any chance you'd punish these people far more severely than the current punishment that's been handed out? This will seal any chance of me coming back and will mean i delete my forum account as well. So do me a solid and let me know, you'll be saving me and others quite a bit of time.

Banning the accounts outright would have been pretty harsh on some of the people that were flagged due to a simple mistake.

Banning the accounts of actual cheaters would be justifiable.

Suspending the accounts of flagged people is fine imo, just ban the ones that were actually cheating.

A suspension is a fine punishment for someone who forgets to leave his cheats running when switching servers, it isn't for someone who willingly chose to "cheat the system" for personal gains.

Edit:
I'd like to have seen "365 accounts were flagged as cheaters. These accounts have been suspended until we can review them and determine the severity of the infraction. At the end of the (insert time frame here), all accounts deemed to have broken the (insert server cheating/hacking rule) will be banned permanently."

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Banning the accounts outright would have been pretty harsh on some of the people that were flagged due to a simple mistake.

Banning the accounts of actual cheaters would be justifiable.

Suspending the accounts of flagged people is fine imo, just ban the ones that were actually cheating.

A suspension is a fine punishment for someone who forgets to leave his cheats running when switching servers, it isn't for someone who willingly chose to "cheat the system" for personal gains.

there's ways of distinguishing the two, but instead a single punishment was considered and it was thought to be fair and lessen the workload... welp, it isn't. you've caught sight of the giant gorilla in the room that's been here since server's creation and instead of pointing to the door he was told to come back in 2 weeks.

I want my question answered

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Albel420 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ack don't do that, atleast look into my situation before this happens :P i play on ez and mq2 is used there for the /stick . I logged of ez to play some p99 and forgot to disable it and i logged in, asoon as i logged in i noticed it was up and logged straight out and idsabled it, been like a week now, no response since ive added my account name and what happened, imo being punished for a 10 second accident is ridiculous . Yet no one seems to want to take the time to say hey were looking into it, or give me a straight forward answer. dont get me wrong im not trying to be a douche here, just saying. i goofed up yeah, but just looking at my account can show that i used nothing to benefit me, my druid is poorly geared and broke....

I don't think anyone is saying to ban the legitimate people who made this mistake, however few they are. (Because most of these claims are bullshit and they will know, anyways.)

Make your post in the petitions section.

[Anger]

Quickly becoming another RnF thread.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by rere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sack up, Rogean

I don't see how people can say stuff like this, then think it doesn't come off as an insult and make them look like jackasses who need to be permabanned

[bluejam]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.

This is why FTE is a flawed rule. Makes sense in theory, but ingame, it looks very very grim - see Trak, Draco, CT, any of the kitable outdoor dragons... there's a lot of grey area.

[deneauth]

I agree Messianic, this is server chat, not R & F. There has been some good legitmate arguing going on here, lets try to keep the flaming to a minimal at least, if we can't stop ranting. Anyway this is a very touchy subject. The rules stated are clear as previously posted, but on the other hand, as Rogean previously posted, 365 accounts are just too many to throw away. A middle ground had to be decided apon. A 2 week suspension plus the deleveling and stripping of coin is is a fairly harsh punishment. That being said I can also sympthise with the arguements that the possibility exists these people may or may not have been cheating for the better part of 2 years and aquired pleanty of gear using these cheats. What it boils down to is it is not our decision to make, as Rogean has said before, the development team doesn't answer to us, although many would beg to differ at this point.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by deneauth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What it boils down to is it is not our decision to make, as Rogean has said before, the development team doesn't answer to us, although many would beg to differ at this point.

this pendulum swings both ways. if you disagree with the staffs decision and they won't budge then you always have the option to consider whether or not you've had enough. if you need the other side to this argument then just look back on this thread as there really isn't much left to say that hasn't been said. this isn't the first time i think they've gone wrong, but the others weren't game-breaking, this on the other hand i feel really is.

there are always 2 decisions here, theirs and then yours. the notion they don't care about whether or not people will play here is utter BS and though nilb0g may actually adhere to that quite firmly, i don't think rogean does.

[deneauth]

I agree that the development team probably should of stuck to their guns and permanently banned the accounts that were hacking as stated in the rules. The decision would not have effected me one iota. If you don't want to play on the server anymore you don't have to, I for one still enjoy playing, and am going to continue to play regardless of how the development team may or may have mishandled this for lack of a better word "fiasco." As always these are just the opinions of one anonymous person over the internet, and I don't know if we ever ended up grouping together Skope but I would have enjoyed meeting and playing with you in game, because I only play for the nostalgia and social aspect of EQ, not the raiding aspect.

Mad props to Rogean, Nilbog, Uthgaard, and the rest for this server, I was unimployed for 8 months and this server kept me from doing self destructive things during that time, I appreciate you all more than you can know.