Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will discuss this with Nilbog.

ban everyone you've caught the past 2-3 weeks and delete their accts while you're at it. zero tolerance until the numbers are in triple digits? zero tolerance, period.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is exactly my point

An officer of a raiding guild using a hack is a much more serious offense to the rules you have put in place than that of a member doing it. I believe them because as we've seen, Durison, or any officer for TMO for that matter, were not caught using a hack. They were playing by the rules. YOUR rules. Officers can't police every member, but they dam sure better be able to police themselves wouldn't you agree? Otherwise this is just a corrupt box with no discipline or order.

This has nothing to do with accusations leveled at Xzerion. This has everything to do with an officer of TR admitting publicly he was cheating while competing against a rival guild.

In this instance it's TR's leadership that is responsible for either being ignorant of Perun's cheating or complicit in it. Either way, they are responsible.

So that means your punishment should be that much more severe. So how long are you going to make TR's raid suspension be. DA was raid suspended for a total of one month. I think an appropriate ruling should be one month for TR.

Durison = Winterfresh

Argument nullified by stupidity and butthurt biased crying.

[Maze513]

the fact that your even will to discuss this is a step in the right direction

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Durison = Winterfresh

Argument nullified by stupidity and butthurt biased crying.

don't be an idiot, dude.

right now the punishment for training is practically equal if not slightly less harsh than SEQ/MQ. that's a god damn shame.

furthermore, TR/IB has had trainers suspended in the past but it has nothing to do with SEQ/MQ and using third-party cheats to benefit an entire guild and dick another guild over.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.

now tell me with a straight face that all guilds are being equally assholes to each other and the rest of the server. it's been tried and people got fed up, wanna know why? because it's the 2 with the loudest mouths and that budge the least that get the most attention. it also turns out that they're the two that cause the biggest shitstorms and are in some form or another responsible for what's taken place. you've got to quit pandering

[Harrison]

I'm agreeing with you entirely on the fact punishments are too lax. I've never wavered from that for an instant.

But, when someone is going to paint people as saints that are very obviously not, I'm going to correct them.

This entire situation has been exacerbated by the lack of severe punishment and transparency. In my experiences across many emulated MMOs, if you aren't 100% transparent or hardcore on offenders it will never be put to rest. I've seen countless great projects go down the tubes because of the very things we're seeing now, here.

This project is probably the best I've seen, of all of them. But, it is hitting a crossroads right now that will make or break it. Losing two devs isn't going to kill the server, but it is putting it on life support. This is of course just my opinion based on years of experience in various emulated mmo communities.

[ElanoraBryght]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.

[Motec]

I really feel sorry for any dev who reads these boards at all.
Shut down RNF.

Every single time you guys post some shit, is 10 seconds, 10 minutes, or an hour + of time spent reading or dealing with shit that could be spent developing.

[Humerox]

The punishments were too light, but outright bans are too severe.

I still think the middle road should be taken...strip the characters on all the accounts completely in addition to the xp and plat loss.

Make the same offer to all accounts banned in the past for the same reasons.

[Motec]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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No-one I know died.
All trash was killed (by me, the 30 something mobs at the zone in were solo xp for my mage).
If anyone died, they would of received 96% rezzes, bull raid buffs and even assistance to re break any camps disturbed. This is not a problem at all.

Did anyone ask? Did anyone approach someone in TR or TMO about it? Both guilds would extend the same respect to anyone disturbed by their actions.

Instead, did people come to the forums crying? Its a shit position for everyone involved, but crying foul and sitting in the corner didnt achieve anything.

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will discuss this with Nilbog.

Thanks,

Sworen