Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[G13]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.

You're completely ignoring the argument that has been presented to you

You know it's fair that since an OFFICER of TR was caught cheating, that by those actions the guild should share equal punishment.

TMO is not DA. TMO's officer are completely innocent of using hacks during a competitive raid. This is the important distinction you are ignoring.

[CHusk2]

Without even getting into specifics I can cite numerous instances of extreme dicketry by TR. Just last night I was with a group in KC when TR busts in, shouts for everyone who isn't TR to get out of the zone, then proceeds to train everyone who doesn't leave. Fuck TR.

[johnny ringo]

Originally Posted by CHusk2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without even getting into specifics I can cite numerous instances of extreme dicketry by TR. Just last night I was with a group in KC when TR busts in, shouts for everyone who isn't TR to get out of the zone, then proceeds to train everyone who doesn't leave. Fuck TR.

lmfao

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.

you should've banned everyone that was caught. no questions asked. trying to find out who was cheating and where for what purpose is a wild goose chase, but letting people off the hook like that was...

wow.

that shit didn't sit well with ANYBODY. no reason to be taken back by the sheer number of cheaters and change your approach. it set a horrendous precedent when you coughed up a golden opportunity to give another "fuck you" to fippy. you went soft instead of doing the same thing you'd do every night, pinky: ban them.

the vitriolic BS between the 2 top guilds didn't help either. both uth and xz are to take part of the blame for that nonsense.

[Kruel]

Koota was an officer.. Perun wasnt an officer.. Not sure what your getting at. EVERY raid guild had cheaters..

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

It could work Rogean if you didn't 'ask'. Obviously if left to their own devices it will not work and I feel confident in the use of the word obviously because look at how things have not gotten better since raids started here. If you want things to never change continue to take the same approach as always. But we would have all our staff intact, eliminate any needs for cheating or perception if everyone was forced to share and probably be much further along in development due to your time being freed from nonsense. The fact we are here shows that we have learned nothing from the past on this server. Eliminate all of these problems with a rotation/calendar as the result of a guild summit.

And yes it seems every guild raiding had someone suspended, the difference is some were using it to raid and maintain advantages in the raid scene and others just had people using it for their own reasons. Both against the rules clearly and cheating but there was a difference.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by CHusk2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without even getting into specifics I can cite numerous instances of extreme dicketry by TR. Just last night I was with a group in KC when TR busts in, shouts for everyone who isn't TR to get out of the zone, then proceeds to train everyone who doesn't leave. Fuck TR.

and you petitioned about this - right? because i always make sure to investigate every petition if i happen to get them and this is totally unacceptable.

[Maze513]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're completely ignoring the argument that has been presented to you

You know it's fair that since an OFFICER of TR was caught cheating, that by those actions the guild should share equal punishment.

TMO is not DA. TMO's officer are completely innocent of using hacks during a competitive raid. This is the important distinction you are ignoring.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does officer have to do with it? Koota wasn't an officer. He was using it to track.

Atleast that was the point of that situation.

err, also, part of the reason i quit yesterday. it's BS like that, dude...

Koota was using it to track and you caught him red handed and punished the entire guild.

Perun was using it to track as well, though tracking the entire zone to see a mob that was already up and note where the other guild was. you know exactly how both guilds benefited yet only acted on one. banning every guild that had cheaters? ban the entire server then, but you've never done that. you guys specifically banned guilds that you know and can prove that benefited from cheats. if you're telling me that you'd ban div from raiding and have anywhere near that solid proof i'd fucking love to hear it, or any other guild on the server for that matter.

you've got to see the double standard here. throw in that he's coming back in a week along with the rest of them AND they get to keep most if not all of their goodies?

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

err, also, part of the reason i quit yesterday. it's BS like that, dude...

Koota was using it to track and you caught him red handed and punished the entire guild.

Perun was using it to track as well, though tracking the entire zone to see a mob that was already up and note where the other guild was. you know exactly how both guilds benefited yet only acted on one. banning every guild that had cheaters? ban the entire server then, but you've never done that. you guys specifically banned guilds that you know and can prove that benefited from cheats. if you're telling me that you'd ban div from raiding and have anywhere near that solid proof i'd fucking love to hear it, or any other guild on the server for that matter.

you've got to see the double standard here. throw in that he's coming back in a week along with the rest of them AND they get to keep most if not all of their goodies?

Will discuss this with Nilbog.