Project 1999 Featured at TenTonHammer - Now Public

[Cristos]

Hey that was me! lol (the ogre in CB)

-Gargamallow

[BuzWeaver]

Originally Posted by FatMagic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is anyone worried this could draw TOO much undue attention, and get Sony jumping down our throats? I hope this isn't the case. I hope that it's an unfounded fear! Just don't want to see this awesome server get shut down.

I was wondering about that myself. Yesterday I made a post on my guilds site, which was removed as the guild rules don't encourage or advocate the use of Emulators (Guild related wise). Their concern as was mine is SOE's thoughts or possible reaction. I'm sure they are aware of this.

On a side note, I'm really enjoying the game I hope it can continue to thrive.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by BuzWeaver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was wondering about that myself. Yesterday I made a post on my guilds site, which was removed as the guild rules don't encourage or advocate the use of Emulators (Guild related wise). Their concern as was mine is SOE's thoughts or possible reaction. I'm sure they are aware of this.

On a side note, I'm really enjoying the game I hope it can continue to thrive.

Now, just post the link to TTH article. They know we're here, They've known we're here for a while.

[Anata]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The legality of the issue is irrelevant. If Sony wanted to they could simply file the legal suits against project1999 and, whatever legal argument we use, they would shut us down.

I don't think that the legality is irrelevant. Maybe for now Project 1999 is just to small a fish to let them take action. But once it gets bigger (which is to be expected due to the publicity gained), things might look totally different. Just remember what they did to Winter's Roar, which was running for about 2 years before the lawyers came.

The article is very good, because it shows the different viewpoints from the Project 1999 guys, Smed and a lawyer.

The only thing that I disagree is that the author was explaining the players' interest in the server by "nostalgia" only. But Project 1999 shows that a lot of old DIKU-features, no longer present in most games today, are still attracting a large player base, stuff like: very limited fast travel, death penalty, corpse runs, aggressive mobs chasing you through the whole zone, severe faction differences, few xp by quests, ... etc.

[fastboy21]

You did not understand what you quoted from me Anata.

I said that the hypothetical legal debate doesn't matter because in either case (whether it should or shouldn't be allowed) Sony can shut us down just by threatening legal action simply because p1999 wouldn't have any way to mount a defense to their copyright suits.

When a notification to cease and desist followed by a lawsuit for damages arrives at Rogean's door what do you think he is going to do? Hire an attorney at $100/hr to defend him---a typical defense of this kind is around $20,000 minimum--? Move to Switzerland with his hardware where he can begin a heroic clandestine lifestyle? Or, pull the plug?

Corporations sadly are able to do this in lots of industries in our legal system. I don't like it at all, but thats how it can work in this country.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said that the hypothetical legal debate doesn't matter because in either case (whether it should or shouldn't be allowed) Sony can shut us down just by threatening legal action simply because p1999 wouldn't have any way to mount a defense to their copyright suits.

so what could be the reason to shut us down since the community whined for years to bring up classic?

soe refused - or did a half assed job with combine/sleeper & 50/51 - so emu did the job. imo, the only reason to bring this baby down would be a new classic life server.

on a side note id bet 1$ that some ex verant/soe devs are playing on p99 already.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what could be the reason to shut us down since the community whined for years to bring up classic?

soe refused - or did a half assed job with combine/sleeper & 50/51 - so emu did the job. imo, the only reason to bring this baby down would be a new classic life server.

on a side note id bet 1$ that some ex verant/soe devs are playing on p99 already.

All it would take is for some big-wig at Sony that doesn't understand that what is being offered here is fundamentally different than the progression servers, assume that P1999 is taking "a slice of their pie", and give the legal team orders to shut it down. And then it would play out pretty much how fastboy21 described above.

I think you're giving corporations and their upper management way too much benefit of the doubt. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, I hope that doesn't happen and I hope P1999 stays up for a long, long time.

[Tudana]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did not understand what you quoted from me Anata.

I said that the hypothetical legal debate doesn't matter because in either case (whether it should or shouldn't be allowed) Sony can shut us down just by threatening legal action simply because p1999 wouldn't have any way to mount a defense to their copyright suits.

When a notification to cease and desist followed by a lawsuit for damages arrives at Rogean's door what do you think he is going to do? Hire an attorney at $100/hr to defend him---a typical defense of this kind is around $20,000 minimum--? Move to Switzerland with his hardware where he can begin a heroic clandestine lifestyle? Or, pull the plug?

Corporations sadly are able to do this in lots of industries in our legal system. I don't like it at all, but thats how it can work in this country.

It would help Rogean out if one of our P1999 players was a corp Lawyer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elissa]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did not understand what you quoted from me Anata.

I said that the hypothetical legal debate doesn't matter because in either case (whether it should or shouldn't be allowed) Sony can shut us down just by threatening legal action simply because p1999 wouldn't have any way to mount a defense to their copyright suits.

When a notification to cease and desist followed by a lawsuit for damages arrives at Rogean's door what do you think he is going to do? Hire an attorney at $100/hr to defend him---a typical defense of this kind is around $20,000 minimum--? Move to Switzerland with his hardware where he can begin a heroic clandestine lifestyle? Or, pull the plug?

Corporations sadly are able to do this in lots of industries in our legal system. I don't like it at all, but thats how it can work in this country.

$100/hr? Try $300-600! Unless he lives in some back country podunk town... but yes, your main point is correct. If SOE's lawyers come calling, we'll be packing it up... unless we could find a lawyer who's an everquest fan to take the case on pro bono... perhaps settlement negotiations might involve SOE ponying up a classic server! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elissa]

Originally Posted by Tudana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would help Rogean out if one of our P1999 players was a corp Lawyer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish I did corporate law, but instead i'm stuck doing real-estate law. Not all that helpful here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]