More proof that server is going to hell

[yaaaflow]

Anyone who can read that log and not be glad that Uthgaard is gone... I just don't get. This is and always has been Nilbog's project, and without his development work and Rogean's hosting this server would be roughly as successful as the dozen other attempts at remaking classic EQ. Uthgaard on the other hand just alienates the playerbase and powertrips at every possible opportunity. Good developer, terrible GM.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought the entire point of Uthgaard's accusations was that Xzerion was on the version of the P99 Veeshan's Peak, after not having done any dev work in a year, running GM commands to glean information from that zone -- information that could be used to fine-tune TR's version of the VP server they are using "to practice" on?

That's not accurate. Xz does Dev work -- he's just an infrequent contributor. The contention is that he's only doing Dev work on raid zones, which even if true, is not any type of infraction. He's been a major contributor to the development of this server over the years. If at this point he chooses to only help develop zones that interest him, I'd say he's earned that right.

More importantly, the list of commands he used were pretty innocuous. You cite things like damage formulas, AC, resists -- but they know what he looked at, and it wasn't that. He checked pretty simple things. Everything he learned via Dev-commands was already posted in Nilbog's VP post. You say perception is everything, but the perception of this situation is highly skewed because the person releasing all the information is inextricably biased.

We have all read the log. Both Nilbog and Rogean don't think Xzerion was guilty of anything significant. So either Nilbog, Rogean, and Xzerion are all so biased that they're intentionally handing the server to TR and even covering it up when found out, or Uthgaard is way out of line. I just don't believe you get a server like this with people that irresponsible in charge. Everything leads me to believe that Nilbog, for one, values server integrity over all else. And anyway, if the two heads of the server wanted TR getting every raid mob, there are a lot better ways for them to do that than letting Xzerion have minimal developer powers to check HP counts and aggro radius on raid mobs.

[Messianic]

1) Shutting down RNF will be negative to the server's health.

If there isn't a place for people to be frank and let out all their garbage, it will be let out everywhere else. Mods can just barely control things as it is - eventually they'll get overrun by bullcrap. RnF threads do no harm to the server at all which wouldn't have happened anyway - I don't see the difference between massive, supposedly detrimental garbage being posted here and it being posted anywhere else, except that moderators will have a crapton more work to do.

2) Cyrano claimed that the only thing that matters is development of the server. This is absolutely wrong.

Development will be of limited value if hacking persists or gets worse. Unless hacking is dealt with (with an iron hand, and hopefully those who are behind it are smart enough to keep up with the hackers), it will be enough of a drag on the server to cause substantial harm, regardless how well the server is developed.

While i'm disappointed with the punishment rendered during the most recent hacker bust, I hope Rogean is true to his word (I've found he is) in having no mercy for anyone caught in the future.


Uthgaard never alienated the player base. He alienated a lot of people compared to others, but even that population was mostly a very tiny collection of scumbags that needed it. I'm sure he erred a couple times, but nearly every single one of his hardass moves I've agreed with.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't believe you get a server like this with people that irresponsible in charge. Everything leads me to believe that Nilbog, for one, values server integrity over all else.

I agree... because they could have just as easily had Xzerion stage a "stepping down" from his dev role "for the health of the server", and then re-invited him back under a different dev persona and no one would have been the wiser. But they didn't -- they put restrictions on his access in place, how actively he could participate in leading raids, etc, which does speak volumes for doing the right thing and "playing the hand one is dealt" instead of taking the easy route and trying to do something underhanded.

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

You got a dev who also has a play character. Fine.

That character also happens to be guild leader of a guild. Eh, okay.

That guild also happens to be the guild that gets most of the raid targets on the server. Come on now.

The dev was poking around in VP and there is news of a "guild practice VP server" going up for that guild. Seriously?!?!

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who can read that log and not be glad that Uthgaard is gone... I just don't get. This is and always has been Nilbog's project, and without his development work and Rogean's hosting this server would be roughly as successful as the dozen other attempts at remaking classic EQ. Uthgaard on the other hand just alienates the playerbase and powertrips at every possible opportunity. Good developer, terrible GM.

This person was in IB and also was in TR, btw. I believe his name is Magicflow a magician in TR. More bias.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

77.09[23:40] <Uthgaard> you don't listen to me when it matters. you bend to pressure from guilds and forum idiots. you canned me with less evidence. i've given this server more than anyone else has, and it's been over a year, and still get treated like i'm some sort of an outsider. rogean tries to make every twat that pays him attention a gm, and is so far out of touch he didn't even realize that tmo was da until i told him. you're out of touch as well, i'm one of your biggest resources, but you never contact me. go ahead and make your generalizations that i'm rude and disrespectful. the half the staff that isn't trying to use the server for its own benefit will give you a different story.

86.09[23:50] <Uthgaard> this server went to shit the month i backed off. you lost a lot of players until i came back and started handling issues

92.09[23:51] <Uthgaard> you know what? i had this discussion with rogean when he made the same accusation
93.09[23:51] <Uthgaard> he walked away from that argument humbled

144.09[00:12] <Uthgaard> what i'm trying to tell you is that i understand group psychology very well. i know what i'm doing and i do what i do with a reason

Uth has issues. I can't believe he'd release that chatlog. It didn't help him.

And there we have it: My pussy hurts because you guys won't let me hang out, so I'm going to take it out on the players. What a crybaby cunt.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it even allowed for a developer to be a guild leader? Should be only one or the other... not both.

Because obviously his contributions are valued, but he wants to play. If he's removed from Dev duty, the whole server loses out on his work and you pile more onto the plates of other Devs. But from everything I can tell, his status as guildleader is completely overblown. He was instrumental in the forming of IB but if you speak to any TR member about him, he never leads raids and his attendance is pretty low. A lot of members don't even know him. He's basically an honorary officer -- he's not the lead man like Bumamgar was in WI.

[yaaaflow]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This person was in IB and also was in TR, btw. I believe his name is Magicflow a magician in TR. More bias.

True story, I've never tried to hide my identity on here anyone could find that out with a 2 minute look at my post history. I've got nothing to hide bro, can you say the same?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

I don't think they underestimated it so much as they can't do anything about it. I think they would hate to lose Xz's contributions as a Dev, and they don't want to be dishonest about anything because they feel the truth is that there actually is no unfair advantage for Xz and thus they have nothing to hide. How do you solve those problems without losing Xz as a Dev? You'd either have to have Xz lie about his play-character or switch Dev names -- neither of which actually changes anything. It would be dishonest.

And FWIW, I don't think the fact that he's an officer matters. That cat is already out of the bag. If he gets demoted to member, nobody will think any differently about him or his role, fair or not.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I think they underestimated the perceptions created by the following train of thought:

You got a dev who also has a play character. Fine.

That character also happens to be guild leader of a guild. Eh, okay.

That guild also happens to be the guild that gets most of the raid targets on the server. Come on now.

The dev was poking around in VP and there is news of a "guild practice VP server" going up for that guild. Seriously?!?!

u are long enuf on the server to know different. srsly, why are YOU jumping on the bandwaggon...