Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[G13]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

You seem to be forgetting the precedent that has been set for these rules and punishments. Training or 2 boxing is not hacking. The punishment for those offenses has always been suspensions or account bans. That's an important distinction that you disingenuously ignored.

TR/IB officers in the past have trained DA raids. They were suspended. Not banned.

This server has a history. When a member of DA was caught using ShowEQ, his account was permanently banned and his GUILD was suspended from raiding. There was talk then of disbanding DA by development, and they were given a final warning, ONLY because it was a member, not an officer who was caught in the act. Members of the guild were outraged, and several people left the guild in disgust. I don't blame them either. Cheating should be discouraged, regardless. It's a cancer on the integrity of the server as a whole.

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild. If someone is banned for 2 boxing, the precedent is both accounts are banned. If you're caught using showEQ, you're banned and if it involves raiding, the guild suffers as well. Perun even admitted he was actively using ShowEQ during a competitive raid between TMO and TR. This is beyond refute.

It's a dangerous precedent to show a double standard. Your telling the players that's it's perfectly fine to break the rules and cheat. By allowing those members to reapp, you're sending the message that TR doesn't give a sh*t if you cheat. You've admitted publicly they can re-app, and I can guarantee that since Perun was an officer and tight with Xzerion, that he will be accepted back in the guild publicly with consternation, but privately with open arms, with promises of AOE groups plvling him to get his ass back up to 60 ASAP.

[Tyen01]

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild.

I had my doubts. I believe durison boxed winterfresh when fef wasn't online.

Easily.

[deathgirl]

Originally Posted by SUSUGAM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

sez big mister im quitting the game cause my wife lost the mith 2h in an internet d/c [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[purist]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Man, it's so awesome how Xzerion's "zero tolerance for cheaters" and "I put the server first" policy has conveniently shifted to "you don't bail on your friends, it's bro code" when it came time to put his words where his mouth was.

A snake-oil salesman's level of integrity.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, it's so awesome how Xzerion's "zero tolerance for cheaters" and "I put the server first" policy has conveniently shifted to "you don't bail on your friends, it's bro code" when it came time to put his words where his mouth was.

A snake-oil salesman's level of integrity.

[Slathar]

TR: "Ban DA from raiding and disband them for getting caught using illegal programs wahhhhhh!"

*13 TR members suspended/banned for using MQ while Xzerion steals data to give his guild an unfair advantage*

TR: "You're welcome to re-app (and use MQ2 again with our newly developed workaround), we don't bail on friends because we have a a double-standard set up by our cheating developer guild leader who uses this server as his private playground for our crack squad of diabetics to obtain pixels."

[Zereh]

I wasn't aware that the people who were caught cheating were given the exact details about what they were caught doing and when. Were they? And if so, I can only surmise that you have had a conversation with Winterfresh himself to understand the finer details of what went down with his account? Silly me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Baxter]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Lol thats so funny, you're allowing them to "re-app". Cheaters of the server if you need a home TR would like to have you.

[Ring]

The Perun was only using SEQ once thing is the most hilarious shit I've seen yet. He picks an unverifiable fact as the basis for his whole apology and TR jumps on board believing it because it benefits their guild. A cheater can't possibly be a liar too right?

[Aviann]

Pause for a minute please.

All of you high end guilds suck until I actually get a naggy kill. I think everyone not in a high end guild agrees with me on this.


Now you can continue your crying about how much faggotry all of your guilds contain.