More proof that server is going to hell

[Mezzmur]

<nilbog> he has given us more 'this shit is too easy' reports than anyone else. from the beginning. you are jumping to wild conclusions about a coworker, ill say that again. expansion DEVELOPER. so much for that cohesive unit
206.09[00:48] <Uthgaard> his 'this shit is too easy' is biased around giving them the advantage
207.09[00:49] <Uthgaard> has he given you a 'this shit is too easy' about the spot they're using to heal on trak from? puts the healers at zero risk
208.09[00:49] <Uthgaard> the threads in their forum confirm their motives. they tell you about it once tmo adopts it and start beating them at it. their forums confirm that whole ivandyr hoop thing being to fuck tmo over
209.[00:50] <nilbog> if you do not understand how doing this in the manner that you did is detrimental to developer/staff relations, then you are blind as fuck.


I lol'd.

[Diggles]

221.09[00:53] <Uthgaard> he's not one of my co workers
222.09[00:53] <Uthgaard> he doesn't develop anything
223.[00:53] <nilbog> neither do you
What the fuck?

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uth has issues. I can't believe he'd release that chatlog. It didn't help him.

My highest char on P99 blue is lvl 11 so I have no position on the high end politics of the server. But from an outsider's perspective I agree with this. Uthgaard is not winning the public relations battle here. His central argument is that everything he does is for the health of the server but compromising internal staff deliberations is an attack on the integrity of the server, and thus the opposite.

[Flavor]

136.09[00:09] <Uthgaard> when we disagree it's infuriating because you take what i've said apart, take nothing from the points i try to raise, and it accomplishes nothing

Pretty much sums up 90% of whats in there. Not excusing Uth even though he's inflammatory, but line after line of browbeating is far less irritating than watching you flail around trying to make your point, but getting stuck on shit that's petty and irrelevant when you consider whats at stake here. You're having a crisis of legitimacy. Just getting this out there for your benefit if you ever read this.

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This is the part where I spell it all out and you faggots reply with

Originally Posted by RnFaggot

tl;dr

Here we go.

185.[00:41] <nilbog> don't presume to think i do not understand psychology. there aren't any nilbog hate threads, i play the role i want to play on p99.

Nilbog proves Uth's point here by more or less admitting to undermining (intentionally or unintentionally, doesn't matter) the "OMGthoughguy Strategy" with CSR decisions by failing to recognize the role he needed to take in the scheme. The question is how well did Mr. Uthgaard communicate what he was doing to Nilbog and Rogean, if at all? If he did and everybody was cool with it, Nilbog certainly didn't realize that allowing this to be successful meant he'd need to cede a large portion control over CSR decisions to Uthgaard. (90% to be exact, the percentage Uth outlined in that linked post near the top, the appeals process being the 10% Nilbog and Rogean were to arbitrate)

If the case is that Uth did not let on to the rest of the staff what it was he was doing, there's a solid argument to be made that he was out of line based on the necessary gives and takes required to make it all work. You could say that, by putting on that " IM THE FUCKIN' LAW UP IN HURR' " mask, Uth was imposing a regulatory system upon the entire server, staff included. Authority is ripe to be undermined if that initial communication didn't take place. Now we could get into a philosophical discussion as to whose idea of "Law and Order" is better, but let's not. It's all pretty clear at this point that Nilbog and Rogean are content to let the top end of the server fall into chaos and illegitimacy based on the trajectory of things. The problem with the current set of rules is that it's dated, irrelevant, and easily used to retroactively justify lawless behavior especially when the appeals process is willing accept to complaints that come to the door with sufficient rabblerousing.

Part of the reason arbitration in the civilized world actually works is that NOT EVERY APPEAL IS HEARD AND CONSIDERED BEYOND ITS INITIAL STAGES; IN FACT, MOST ARE NOT. If you're going to take it upon yourselves to decide something, Nilbog and Rogean, don't fucking use how loud the noise is as a criterion in whether to get involved, but rather what issue is being raised. Yeah, its not easy, but that's your incentive to just leave shit alone and expect people to live with your inaction knowing that it's not that you don't care about it, it's that arbitrating that dispute does nothing to promote the well-being of the server; its just toxic and is best left alone.

The reason the server began going to shit is because that ideal 10% of appeals was VASTLY inflated to become, percentage wise, the primary avenue of figuring out disputes over dagrons. Raiding has become a fucking Casey-Anthony-style-court-drama* with lower standards of evidence in the current dynamic. You can understand how allowing this situation to exist is beyond unhealthy for the server's community, its absolutely toxic.
*RNF trolls play the part of Nancy Grace in all of this. You're welcome.

Big Boss guys, I can arrive at no other conclusion other than that you are both at fault and that your ineptitude created a NEED for Uthgaard to step in, regardless of whether he was right or wrong to step on toes. He chose to act in the best interest of the server, which ironically, you are opting to ignore based on the fact that he is either right or you are surprisingly corrupt. You can replace a developer, you cannot replace credibility once it's lost. In all scenarios you two are on the wrong side of the issue and the server will suffocate and die (eventually) as a result of your collective hubris. I'd venture to say the reason why it hasn't already is that the interest in what you're doing is high enough that players are entering and leaving P99 at about the same rates. This would be astonishing to me given the timeline of this brewing shitstorm encompasses the entire life of the server.

<----If you made it this far into the post having read it thoroughly, you get a gold star and my gratitude.

[Nyrod]

holy fuck! i read that whole thing omg...

i agree alot with visage and aenor.

reading it gave me alot of respect for both uthgaard and nilbog. the reality is they need like marriage counseling or something lol shit reminds me of conversations with my wife, we both want the same thing but are like ready to murder each other because we disagree.

i havent been here long either but from the little i have heard about uthgaard it was like 90% bad about how much of a dickhead he is and then reading what he says around this part

161.09[00:19] <Uthgaard> i dont like the idea of banning someone who's innocent

i can totally agree with how he did his CSR and mad props for sticking to it. those that deserve it get the wrath of god, those that dont, mercy of god.

[Vidrata]

18.18.09[23:03] <Uthgaard> no. this has been the same argument since zianlo

Ill be honest, this makes me happy that I played some part in his leaving and my forum account ban wasnt in vain. Its annoying to use my g/f's account to post. =P

[Smedy]

Didn't read the entire thing but my only care is that this doesn't fuck with p99 red release.

[Flavor]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My highest char on P99 blue is lvl 11 so I have no position on the high end politics of the server. But from an outsider's perspective I agree with this. Uthgaard is not winning the public relations battle here. His central argument is that everything he does is for the health of the server but compromising internal staff deliberations is an attack on the integrity of the server, and thus the opposite.

Promoting lawlessness through neglect is contrary to the health of the server. Go read up on why VZTZ kept collapsing, the laws (in that case the laws of fair PvP) were being ignored via GM favoratism and 3rd party programs. Exact same core issue is in play here.

[superapan]

The whole VP-Xzerion deal is some real messed up stuff, the worst I've seen so far. I wholeheartedly support Uthgaard.

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by RealSmedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read the entire thing but my only care is that this doesn't fuck with p99 red release.

R99 cancelled like the NBA season Big Smed =(