Little GM intervention as possible

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

Unlike your failbox. There is an accurate way to figure this out on here.

The problem remains now though, that nothing is done to people who DO break the rules.

So there is no repercussion for training. May as well allow it now.

[Doors]

Agree with op.

Whats funny is Harrison trying to discredit anyone from vztz that actually know what works and what doesn't.

[Harrison]

Hmmm, opinions from terrible servers. Very valid.

[Lasher]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unlike your failbox. There is an accurate way to figure this out on here.

The problem remains now though, that nothing is done to people who DO break the rules.

So there is no repercussion for training. May as well allow it now.

Yeah i dont know what p99 has at their disposal so maybe they have way to accurately tell who initiated an intentional train. Can that information be accessed and analyzed immediatly or will it be 4 horus later or a day later?

How does training get handled on p99?

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm, opinions from terrible servers. Very valid.

Doesn't matter if the server was terrible dude. Most of us speak from experience. And thats who I would want to listen to if I was designing a PVP box and wanted input on how to properly do it. I wouldn't be listening to people that had no clue.

[Arclyte]

....all the while both Rogean's and the server's reputation hang in the balance.

GM intervention, while more relaxed than P99, is guaranteed. I think leaving the integrity of the server solely to some nebulous "council of guild leaders" is stupid at best, the thrice failure of VZTZ notwithstanding.

Common sense and over a decade of MMOs tells me it will require the vigilance of both.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree with op.

Whats funny is Harrison trying to discredit anyone from vztz that actually know what works and what doesn't.

Was vztz even a server? I only remimber one true server RZ

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

And to Buhbuh, I quit reading most of your posts.

VZ/TZ tried no rules for like a month? And that was mid 2.0? You cant establish a rule set, then change it to something drastically different mid stream. Its like holding a piss midstream, if your not used to it, it burns.

Anyway... Oh, and as far as "casuals"... rofl, are you fucking serious? Most people here are talking about how they are setting up their comp rooms for living. EQ is not really for the casual. And EQ EMU is not for some Bnet kiddie that wants to try something new, its for EQ junkies that need a fucking fix. Take that bush league bullshit to another forum, it doesnt fly here.

WTB server w/o handholding + GM intervention~

[solid]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the thrice failure of VZTZ notwithstanding.

Not fair to say 2.0 was a failure; server was humming along fine and pop was on the up and up until zoneCMD blew the box up (which had nothing to do with a ruleset or GM intervention)

[Cwall]

Harrison's arguments based completely around ad hominem sure are fun to read.

I started playing a game where I would come on the forum after a while and take note of how often he repeats the words "cesspool", "vztzject"(by the way, this term will never catch on no matter how cool he thinks it makes him sound), "inbred", and "scum" in the threads that I happen to see him post in.

It's almost every single post, by the way, except for when he's posting in a thread on the blue section of the forums that isn't a bluebie circlejerk. In that case, it's still pretty high, but not quite every post.