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Old 08-30-2011, 01:11 PM
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if the server poulation is high slow exp is fine IF theres no exp loss in pvp death
this is all im saying otherwise it will hurt the population there are greifers you will be greifed also from an admin point of view you will have many more petitions about being cced if they suffer anything more than coin loss to a pvp death.

this is another reason for YT imo its another form of pvp incentive to some
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:14 PM
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convict all you do is spout bs about how we dont know what were talking about is there a point to any of your posts besides riding the gms jock?
we get it you agree with the gm .....
We? I was talking to Macken. There have been many decent VZTZ'ers such as yourself helping contribute to constructive discussion. All he is doing is flaming Nilbog, why are you defending him?

My point is that there isn't some "one-size-fits-all" rule set that absolutely has to be implemented or the server is doomed to fail.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:17 PM
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I know that most people reading this forum will agree with me when I say that the more QQ posts I see about the rules and xp the better I know the server will be.

The greatness of the server and the level of mackens anger are in direct correlation.

What you guys don't seem to get is this is not vztz meets p99 source...this is simply another Project99 but with pvp enabled. If you want to mock the people who are making the dream of a stable, classic, legit pvp server a reality, then you deserve to be banned.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:17 PM
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And all im saying is that just because you were on a staff that administered a pvp server, doesn't mean you know jack or more about governing a pvp server than the pvpers do.

Sirken included.

I caught sirken making several mistakes. Does that mean he sucks? no.

Does that mean his opinions hold more weight than those, whom his opinions effected. Not just no, but HECK NO! He was going along ignorant as to what effect his rules were even having. He had to be TOLD by the community. If he was going to have to be TOLD, then why not just ask those who were doing the telling?

And all you other ignorant players who keep riding his and other staff's nuts only make it worse.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:17 PM
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Macken deserved the ban. Really no reason to ride Nilbog's nuts like that unless you just want to piss him off.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:18 PM
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speaking truth to power = ban
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:20 PM
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The greatness of the server and the level of macken's warnings are in direct correlation.

Fixed.


I've seen it go down 4 times with my own eyes.

I've heard about 3 other times.

Experience and enough intelligence to look at prior happenings.

Thats all i have over the staff.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:22 PM
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We? I was talking to Macken. There have been many decent VZTZ'ers such as yourself helping contribute to constructive discussion. All he is doing is flaming Nilbog, why are you defending him?

My point is that there isn't some "one-size-fits-all" rule set that absolutely has to be implemented or the server is doomed to fail.
he seems highly confrontational to me also he seems to brush anything said by a tz/vz regular off as if it holds no weight.

alot of you do that here macken is right about most of what hes says he might not say it nicely but hes often right. he is also a legend on eq and doesnt deserve to be shut down every time he opens his mouth cause somone has a personal problem with him. were not shitting on you being blue were not posting in your section to try and change things we are eagerly awaiting a pvp server and we want our ideas heard without being trolled by people who wont make it past the first week
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:23 PM
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There is no reason to allow folks to get to level 50. If you want to beat the game..keep playing on a server where you already have hit max level. The experience of walking through level 1-50 on a PVP server is the entire enjoyable part of the game.

These "hurt server pop" arguments, and these "look at vztz and how it failed big time" arguments are really really shallow. Look at EQ live, and the rallos zek server there. There was item loot..people still played and enjoyed it. There was slow grinding..people still played and enjoyed it. YES pvp is in general less popular than PVE but as we all know (thanks sony) a watered down PVP server is worse than all of the above. If we wanted mass appeal we would be playing WOW or some other crappy game.

This server has the opportunity to recreate the rare mix of PK oriented players and PVE oriented pvp players like rallos zek had. There is a strong population on P99 and many of them are interested in playing PVP just to hear what all the fuss is about. Many of them simply love everquest and are looking to enjoy it in a way they have not enjoyed it before.

This population is readily adaptable to any pvp environment and consists of more than the disenfranchised ex VZTZ players. These PVE oriented PVP players could easily out number the PK oriented players which would bring good balance to the server. Item loot is a key part of this balance because it means low level twinks are actually risking their loot by going out and hunting lowbies. It makes it actually worthwhile for lowbies to gang up on twinks because they are likely to drop good gear. They might manage to bag it all, the might manage to suicide one way or another, they might manage to zone plug in which case you can call them a pansy for the rest of their lives..but you might get lucky, and that chance is what makes it fun.

It is also completely wrong to say that item loot means casters utterly dominate. They do dominate in old world PVP, that is a fact regardless of gear. But a naked caster will die in about 3 hits from any melee player. What it all comes down to is this - who is the hunter and who is the hunted? Whoever attacks first has a massive advantage regardless of class. People that want to avoid being oppressed by these "really mean casters that I experienced when I got killed by them on vztz" will have a fun time when one enters your zone and you and your group get to try to kill him before he kills you.

There is no argument for increased EXP rates at all. People aren't playing just to get to the end. If they are playing just to get to the end, then a slow EXP rate makes the bragging rights they are seeking even more valuable.

Really, increased EXP rates just mean that the game progresses towards stagnation quicker, people hit max level quicker and get all of the valuable items they wanted quicker and start tapping their foot waiting for kunark to be released so they can race to the finish on the next new continent.

How does that help server population?
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:23 PM
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I know that most people reading this forum will agree with me when I say that the more QQ posts I see about the rules and xp the better I know the server will be.

The greatness of the server and the level of mackens anger are in direct correlation.

What you guys don't seem to get is this is not vztz meets p99 source...this is simply another Project99 but with pvp enabled. If you want to mock the people who are making the dream of a stable, classic, legit pvp server a reality, then you deserve to be banned.
Now THIS is speaking truth to power. Take notes!
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