Innoruuk: loot Table ADD:

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.

The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

Have you tried doing the same thing?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Sounds like things are a bit loosey goosey. If you get embattled in laywerquest with the offenders, something may happen. If you record them logging in to hate against the rules while you do the same, you'll at least have evidence against the farm crew.

bbsmitz sent me a good document on the evidence against the farm crew so far.

I think there are options available if enough people really cared, even if it was just to spite the farm crews. But my feeling is most people don't care enough. Mage Epic is mostly a toy/trophy. Spending that time getting Vulak loot on a better class sounds like a better use of time.

[aaezil]

Its ok people like Ramen have been playing here 30 years and still dont got epic, im sure you’ll be fine

[IXIShaunIXI]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are saying there are unguilded players camped in hate to get around the rules specific to guilds, just do the same thing.

If they are actually breaking the rules somehow, you could even record them and post the evidence everywhere, so it can't be denied. Action may be taken then.

If you just give up and assume you can't win, that is how the farm crew wins.

Castle Bot Green
APP
— Yesterday at 11:17 PMFriday, June 26, 2026 11:17 PM
Your Tracking session for Hate Mini's has ended.

Summary:
Character: Shaunivi,
Duration: 20h 22m,
Rounded Duration: 20h 20m,
Hourly Rate: 1 DKP,
DKP Earned: 20.33

Tell me sir do you think i am enring my epic ?

[IXIShaunIXI]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by IXIShaunIXI [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

Very nice! I have seen fellow guild Mages get their Epics this way.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by IXIShaunIXI [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

No one is left who remembers that "camping" something could mean a couple weeks of your free time.

It's kind of funny watching those who were but babes during live becoming meta-literate, industrious, online, but still but constantly and probably unknowingly downnerfing classic to mean what would be hard for them

[loramin]

Look, the reality is that the staff let Diddly 2-box and monopolize Hate, for years. They could have changed the rules at any time, or even just performed a single 2-box check on him. Instead, they chose to turn a blind eye to blatant rules violations.

It's their server, and that's their choice. If they want Mage epics to work that way, nothing anyone here says, in this thread or any other, is likely to change their minds.

[loramin]

P.S. When I say "turn a blind eye", I should note that I never actually petitioned the guy (I've just posted about him in the forum). All I'm saying is, petition or no, the staff could have done something about him for years, and since they didn't, we can infer they like Hate the way it is.