Innoruuk: loot Table ADD:

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by IXIShaunIXI [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

rents due

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by IXIShaunIXI [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

Where are you reading that Hate Mini spawns require a zone vacate?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=421057

This is the main source of information for raid rules to my knowledge. The top post gets updated by the staff as needed. You can see the top post was last edited in July of 2025.

They actually removed the Hate Minis zone vacate requirement in May last year:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=14

You can see that the top post no longer has rules for Hate Minis, only Inny and Maestro:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...09&postcount=1

So unless there are some rules posted elsewhere that overwrite the rules thread above, it sounds like you can compete with the farm crews just fine.

As I said before:
1. Get the spawn timers.
2. Scout the behavior of the existing farm crew(s).
3. Park your own characters in Hate, and claim the camp before them.

You can even organize Hate raids around the same time if you want to clear Hate before they typically log in, so you can get whatever characters you want up there to hold the camp. It doesn't even look like Inny/Maestro have a zone vacate requirement, so you shouldn't need to leave even if they spawn.

[kjs86z2]

nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

I agree. I think people simply don't have the will to beat the farm crews, because most players don't care about Earth Staff. Even if farm crews disappeared tomorrow, it takes a long time for an Earth Staff to drop. You could get better raid items for other classes in the same time spent. Unfortunately Mage Epic is mostly just a toy/status symbol on P99.

Going back to the rules. Even when Mini's had the zone vacate rule, there was an exception for guilds:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=14

If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.

So it seems like OP just has a large misunderstanding about the Hate rules in general. Guilds could easily do trash clears around Magi spawn if they wanted to, even before the Hate Mini rules were removed.

[bbsmitz]

There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

LOL, yea this.

Or quad DA with your epic mage and make a cooler corpse.

[Rygar]

Get to researching:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=292981

I made mention of finding evidence of mage staff and emerald for ranger epic on inny even after revamp

Links to each loot is in the spreadsheet, date is hyper linked to guild website report on wayback

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bbsmitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.

If they are just using the old rules, they already had an exception for guilds raiding in hate or killing trash:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=14

Plane of Hate Mini Bosses, Maestro of Rancor, and Innoruuk
Zone: Plane of Hate
Translocate Allotment: No COTH
Run Speed Consideration(s):
Location of Engagement: May pull to entrance.
Additional Rule Consideration:
Additional Notes:
- You must port up after any of these mobs have spawned.
- If you were in the zone before any of these mobs spawned, you must leave the zone and come back.
- If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.
- Dying and resurrecting does not meet these requirements. Example: you cannot die at the fountain/stairs safe spot, get ressed by a cleric who was camped out there, and come back into the zone.

I don't see any rules that allow unguilded characters to stay on a mini spawn, while guilds are always required to leave. Just schedule raids and/or trash clears around the Magi spawn timer(s) if you really want to contest Magi.

[bbsmitz]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.

Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/8080240...40290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bbsmitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/8080240...40290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.