Pet weapon questions

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retargeting takes a single keystroke. Instant invis means you can break your pet and be casting on it in less than a half a second. If you have 4+ mobs hitting your pet in a zone like HS this can be the difference between either losing your pet or having to use multiple nukes to kill your pet and waste mana. Since you’re enc is low level I assume you haven’t done this before, and low level roots aren’t reliable enough to want to have that many mobs at once. The ROST is still a great item to have, but if you’re trying to maximize xp per hour there’s no reason to not have insta invis. The GGR ring is easily farmable or not that expensive to buy. Obviously pre nerf cos is the best for necros but that’s not so easy to acquire nowadays.

Another (small) reason I prefer the stealthy travel over GGR on my enchanter is that it at least has 35mana 35HP to wear consistently. Yeah, it really doesn't make a difference with 2k HP and 3.5k mana, but it is also a reason to not to swap out items . even just normal use invis, its superior to the velious boots which require a target and have longer cast time.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More argument from authority fallacy. No evidence or videos.

Do you understand the basic concept that level 60 fights work the same, regardless of class? I have fought 4+ high level mobs many times. I have seen level 60 Enchanters do the same.

If you are a skilled as you claimed, you wouldn't need GGR as a placebo crutch. 2 second anticipation in a high level fight is easy, even with 4+ mobs.

Level 60 fights are completely different, especially for enchanters. The fact that you don’t understand this simply shows your lacking experience and ruins your credibility. I’ve already stated the facts, I have no need to go and prove it to somebody like you. Continue on with your 1 v 1 enc low tier fights.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 60 fights are completely different, especially for enchanters. The fact that you don’t understand this simply shows your lacking experience and ruins your credibility. I’ve already stated the facts, I have no need to go and prove it to somebody like you. Continue on with your 1 v 1 enc low tier fights.

I am fairly certain you purposely misunderstood my post to try and score points, because you have no evidence for your position. Please don't ruin your credibility and reputation with such childish tactics. This doesn't support your position.

I didn't say "An Enchanter plays the same as a Shaman", or "The tactics of an Enchanter are the same as a Shaman", or "A level 1 Enchanter plays the same as a level 60 Enchanter", or whatever else you are insinuating. You know that, please don't play dumb.

My point is that if you've fought mobs in HS, you understand how they work in terms of behaviors, DPS, etc. You don't need to be a level 60 Enchanter to know how the mobs in HS work.

I can anticipate how much damage 4+ HS mobs will do to me in 2 seconds on my Shaman and Shadowknight. That means you can do the same with your pet.

[BradZax]

I enjoy playing a low level enchanter as if it’s a level 60 enchanter and the gameplay is exactly the same.

You can solo sola bar at level 36 as an enchanter and it is just as hard as soloing the chef at 60.

Same gameplay.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Wayward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another (small) reason I prefer the stealthy travel over GGR on my enchanter is that it at least has 35mana 35HP to wear consistently. Yeah, it really doesn't make a difference with 2k HP and 3.5k mana, but it is also a reason to not to swap out items . even just normal use invis, its superior to the velious boots which require a target and have longer cast time.

I’m with you the ROST is a solid item and everyone should get it if they can. But when talking about xp per hour instant invis is gonna give you more reliable breaks without risk of wasting extra mana to kill your old pet or trying to time the casting delay and lose your pet. This could be proved over a long period of testing I just don’t feel the need to because I’ve already seen it while leveling.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I enjoy playing a low level enchanter as if it’s a level 60 enchanter and the gameplay is exactly the same.

You can solo sola bar at level 36 as an enchanter and it is just as hard as soloing the chef at 60.

Same gameplay.

That's not what I said. Nor is my video claiming this. Everybody can read the forums, I really don't understand why people think lying is a valid tactic when the evidence is readily available.

Unfortunately people backed into a corner due to lack of evidence resort to childish nonsense.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m with you the ROST is a solid item and everyone should get it if they can. But when talking about xp per hour instant invis is gonna give you more reliable breaks without risk of wasting extra mana to kill your old pet or trying to time the casting delay and lose your pet. This could be proved over a long period of testing I just don’t feel the need to because I’ve already seen it while leveling.

"Trust me bro" is not evidence. You haven't proven you can get more kills per hour via GGR. Please stop making baseless claims.

Again, it is easy to predict bow quickly something will die if you have experienced the content. You don't need to be a level 60 Enchanter to understand how to kill Fungi King, or any other mob. Nor do you need to be a 60 Enchanter to understand how much DPS 4+ mobs will do over a period of time.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m with you the ROST is a solid item and everyone should get it if they can. But when talking about xp per hour instant invis is gonna give you more reliable breaks without risk of wasting extra mana to kill your old pet or trying to time the casting delay and lose your pet. This could be proved over a long period of testing I just don’t feel the need to because I’ve already seen it while leveling.

Yeah, maybe the GGR is better for getting that split-second pet break at 0% - saving a bit of mana trying to finish pet.

Just another reason Necros have a superior charm kit - Instant break without target needed with CoS, and 2 different mana-free DoT options that stack to finish off old pets.

Oh yeah and the OP nature of Pacify pet before Feigning Death to reset.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Wayward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, maybe the GGR is better for getting that split-second pet break at 0% - saving a bit of mana trying to finish pet.

Just another reason Necros have a superior charm kit - Instant break without target needed with CoS, and 2 different mana-free DoT options that stack to finish off old pets.

Oh yeah and the OP nature of Pacify pet before Feigning Death to reset.

Split second breaks have no inherit advantage. If anything, they are riskier. GGR is an item that is great at tricking your brain into survivorship bias. People remember the 0% clutch breaks more than the times they lost their pet and got no XP.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Split second breaks have no inherit advantage. If anything, they are riskier. GGR is an item that is great at tricking your brain into survivorship bias. People remember the 0% clutch breaks more than the times they lost their pet and got no XP.

I mean, I tend to agree. I have lost more pet weapons on my Necro from waiting too long to break with CoS than I have with my enchanter's RoST, where I anticipated the cast time

[spoil]

I disagree 100%. Instant charm break is so much more efficient over the course of your leveling career, accounting for occasional slip-ups. Less HP on both mobs = cheaper nukes to kill your broken pet and mob.

It's also way easier to make a mistake with a longer cast time. GGR is well worth the price, if not actually doing the camp yourself.