Multi-classing? EQ Legends - What to try?

[Cecily]

For THJ:
Mnk Pal Zrk was stupid OP in PoP
Mnk Clr Zrk was a good time, too.
Rog Wiz Sk had really good synergy with lifetap procs and poison crit blasts from wiz AA.

[Botten]

Am I nuts or could this work?
Shadow Knight / Necromancer / Wizard

Strictly looking at silly Direct Damage Breakdown

Immediate, single-hit burst damage:

Mana Burn (Maxed) 3,200 – 4,000 Flat (post-nerf version is expected *sigh)
Harm Touch (Maxed) 2,000 – 2,500 Boosted by Unholy Aura disc and spell damage focus items.
Life Burn (Nuke Only and Maxed) 4,000 – 5,000 100% of your sacrificed level-50 HP pool delivered instantly.

Total Instant Hit around 9,200 – 11,500 Total immediate chunk landing on a single tick.

At a level 50 cap, dealing roughly 10,000 ~ damage could be really fun keeping in mind that,

Dungeon Mobs: Most standard Level 45–50 dungeon trash mobs (such as those found in Lower Guk or Solusek B) possess between 3,000 and 6,000 total hit points. This means your triple-class direct damage burst will instantly vaporize them from full health, skipping the fight entirely.

Dungeon Named Bosses: Rare named spawns in these zones generally sit around 10,000 to 15,000 HP. Your opening combo will instantly deplete 60% to 100% of the boss's health bar before your party members can cast a single spell.

Raid Bosses: Classic Level 50 raid targets (like Lord Nagafen or Lady Vox) have roughly 32,000 HP. Triggering this exact combo allows one single player to instantly wipe out nearly one-third of a dragon's entire health pool the moment the engagement begins.

[BradZax]

Itt's a bad ass roleplay combo that's for sure.

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[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I nuts or could this work?
Shadow Knight / Necromancer / Wizard

Strictly looking at silly Direct Damage Breakdown

Immediate, single-hit burst damage:

Mana Burn (Maxed) 3,200 – 4,000 Flat (post-nerf version is expected *sigh)
Harm Touch (Maxed) 2,000 – 2,500 Boosted by Unholy Aura disc and spell damage focus items.
Life Burn (Nuke Only and Maxed) 4,000 – 5,000 100% of your sacrificed level-50 HP pool delivered instantly.

Total Instant Hit around 9,200 – 11,500 Total immediate chunk landing on a single tick.

At a level 50 cap, dealing roughly 10,000 ~ damage could be really fun keeping in mind that,

Dungeon Mobs: Most standard Level 45–50 dungeon trash mobs (such as those found in Lower Guk or Solusek B) possess between 3,000 and 6,000 total hit points. This means your triple-class direct damage burst will instantly vaporize them from full health, skipping the fight entirely.

Dungeon Named Bosses: Rare named spawns in these zones generally sit around 10,000 to 15,000 HP. Your opening combo will instantly deplete 60% to 100% of the boss's health bar before your party members can cast a single spell.

Raid Bosses: Classic Level 50 raid targets (like Lord Nagafen or Lady Vox) have roughly 32,000 HP. Triggering this exact combo allows one single player to instantly wipe out nearly one-third of a dragon's entire health pool the moment the engagement begins.

Mob HP values are totally different in EQL, as are player HP values. Even spell damage on most spells is different.

There is also basically no point to optimize for killing normal XP mobs, because XPing is so fast and easy, and because dungeon loot is practically worthless. You want to optimize for killing raid mobs either solo or in a group (so basically you want either a build with a combination of tanking/sustain/DPS for solo or a specialist tank, healer, or DPS build if you know you would prefer to group.

But honestly they are intentionally making the game so easy that you can pretty much play anything at this point and it will work.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I nuts or could this work?
Shadow Knight / Necromancer / Wizard

Strictly looking at silly Direct Damage Breakdown

Immediate, single-hit burst damage:

Mana Burn (Maxed) 3,200 – 4,000 Flat (post-nerf version is expected *sigh)
Harm Touch (Maxed) 2,000 – 2,500 Boosted by Unholy Aura disc and spell damage focus items.
Life Burn (Nuke Only and Maxed) 4,000 – 5,000 100% of your sacrificed level-50 HP pool delivered instantly.

Total Instant Hit around 9,200 – 11,500 Total immediate chunk landing on a single tick.

At a level 50 cap, dealing roughly 10,000 ~ damage could be really fun keeping in mind that,

Dungeon Mobs: Most standard Level 45–50 dungeon trash mobs (such as those found in Lower Guk or Solusek B) possess between 3,000 and 6,000 total hit points. This means your triple-class direct damage burst will instantly vaporize them from full health, skipping the fight entirely.

Dungeon Named Bosses: Rare named spawns in these zones generally sit around 10,000 to 15,000 HP. Your opening combo will instantly deplete 60% to 100% of the boss's health bar before your party members can cast a single spell.

Raid Bosses: Classic Level 50 raid targets (like Lord Nagafen or Lady Vox) have roughly 32,000 HP. Triggering this exact combo allows one single player to instantly wipe out nearly one-third of a dragon's entire health pool the moment the engagement begins.

Sk wiz combo should have great sustain. Those burns sound fun as hell.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They seem to be catering to a sort of ultra-casual mindset that wants the game to feel literally effortless. I mean, what's the point of being so powerful that you have Inny and CT on farm mode solo?

It's sad they named it "EQ Legends", when the game is the exact opposite - nobody is legendary, because everyone can easily do everything solo.

Maybe it means an eventual server though where we get custom content and changes, while keeping the spirit and general difficulty of classic EQ.

[BradZax]

They are re itemizing and populating zones with new nameds.

Im looking forward to exploring that. As a dwarf with a robe.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's sad they named it "EQ Legends", when the game is the exact opposite - nobody is legendary, because everyone can easily do everything solo.

Maybe it means an eventual server though where we get custom content and changes, while keeping the spirit and general difficulty of classic EQ.

Yeah. I really wish they had simply made an updated version of the game (with some UI updates, custom AAs and modern QoL features) with triple-classing as a sort of pseudo-3box, while preserving the traditional difficulty and loot mechanics. That would have been a very fun and interesting spin on the game. But what they've made is basically a theme park version of EverQuest that provides essentially zero challenge. There is absolutely no risk or feeling of danger due to the death and respawn system. The combat is totally brainless because the mobs are so weak in relation to the players, even on the highest difficulty level. There is no feeling of accomplishment because gear is so easily acquired. There isn't even the slightest feeling of adversity in terms of navigating through the world itself due to their "rituals" system (which allows players to cast spells like ports and shrink while playing any class). This is a game designed to be facerolled by any combination of classes while the player enjoys a nostalgia high. The "endgame" is farming gods/dragons on all 5 difficulty levels once per week in encounters that are not remotely challenging. So we basically have a game that feels like powerleveling yourself during the leveling process, until you get to 50 and are then showered with absurd amounts of effortless loot. That's literally all there is to it. It's an extremely shallow power fantasy and after a month or two of even modestly serious play is going to feel incredibly boring.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Y I really wish they had simply made an updated version of the game (with some UI updates, custom AAs and modern QoL features) with triple-classing as a sort of pseudo-3box, while preserving the traditional difficulty and loot mechanics.

Yeah, I was dissapointed THJ wasn't that, but ended up having fun.

I was really looking forward to rog doing what you describe! Im surprised it went the way it did.

Still will be fun though but yeah.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. I really wish they had simply made an updated version of the game (with some UI updates, custom AAs and modern QoL features) with triple-classing as a sort of pseudo-3box, while preserving the traditional difficulty and loot mechanics. That would have been a very fun and interesting spin on the game. But what they've made is basically a theme park version of EverQuest that provides essentially zero challenge. There is absolutely no risk or feeling of danger due to the death and respawn system. The combat is totally brainless because the mobs are so weak in relation to the players, even on the highest difficulty level. There is no feeling of accomplishment because gear is so easily acquired. There isn't even the slightest feeling of adversity in terms of navigating through the world itself due to their "rituals" system (which allows players to cast spells like ports and shrink while playing any class). This is a game designed to be facerolled by any combination of classes while the player enjoys a nostalgia high. The "endgame" is farming gods/dragons on all 5 difficulty levels once per week in encounters that are not remotely challenging. So we basically have a game that feels like powerleveling yourself during the leveling process, until you get to 50 and are then showered with absurd amounts of effortless loot. That's literally all there is to it. It's an extremely shallow power fantasy and after a month or two of even modestly serious play is going to feel incredibly boring.

All of that is well and good, and although players like you or I won't enjoy it - many will.

But the real baffling part is: How do they expect to keep players subbed indefinitely when most people will run out of fun nostalgia power trips to enjoy?

It's like the Emu servers that already exist with changes and ease of loot, etc - the majority of players on those servers last a few weeks or months tops. Only a small portion stick around for years+.

It just doesn't seem like a good way to ensure player retention. Old school EQ perfected that. After like 2 years of playing Live back in 2000-2002, I had 1 level 60 character who had just started getting ToV loot when Luclin rolled out. I kept on that chase seeing tiny incremental changes over a long period of time all the way until 2005.

The type of OG EQ play that dictated:

If you get 10% exp in the level today, it was a productive day in game...
If you complete one portion of a quest today, it was a productive day...
If you gain 1 AA today, it was a productive day...

is what kept people logging into EQ for years and years.