Game Mechanics: Staff of Temperate Flux and Rod of Insidious Glamour Should not be useable on move

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they arent log files, they are a copy pasta. 21 years after the fact, on a thread generated on the exact same topic...

I feel obligated to reiterate that it's completely inappropriate to claim someone is fabricating evidence when they already provided sources to the developers, but moving on.

For reference -

Originally Posted by https://github.com/tipa16384/harcourt_applets/blob/main/DSR/eqlog_20_Etha.txt

[Mon Jul 02 00:52:17 2001] Reethon tells the group, 'I am feigning off an enthralled bulthar.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:17 2001] Reethon says, 'WARNING, Monk feigning off an enthralled bulthar.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:20 2001] Yath tells the group, 'damn right.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:23 2001] Reethon tells the group, 'hahah'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:24 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:25 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:25 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 107 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:37 2001] Brahamamamma begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar staggers from a blow to the head.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 107 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:44 2001] Geneshami begins to cast a spell.

...

[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] ---------------------------
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Disciple] Reethon (Human) <Order of Reverence>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Brahamamamma <Phoenix Crusaders>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [58 Beguiler] Ikabod (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Aeawen [DRUID]
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [60 Crusader] Ajoo (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [57 Templar] Purity (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Minstrel] Karah (Wood Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [52 Disciple] Yath (Human) <United Norrath Coalition>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Mystic] Geneshami (Barbarian) <Order of Reverence>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [51 Champion] Gimme (Ogre) <United Norrath Coalition>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [53 Champion] Macleod (Barbarian) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Etha <United Norrath Coalition> [DRUID]
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] There are 12 players in Siren's Grotto.

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the 1 instance in 1 log that shows 5 clicks per second, just so happens to be missing a full second of log entries AFTER the log messages

This is meaningless. One second gaps in events are extremely common, particularly with melee filtered.

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and that is with a shaman casting malaisment. So from my standpoint, the logs provided thus far show a pretty consistent 2 or 3 clicks max input.

I already snipped the context for you, the shaman is not casting. Even if he was, that would still leave four casts in that second.

You've also yet to explain several other obvious examples already provided, e.g. -

Originally Posted by https://github.com/tipa16384/harcourt_applets/blob/main/DSR/eqlog_20_Etha.txt

[Thu Jul 05 20:05:08 2001] Taluil tells the group, 'Tashed sebilite guardian'
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:08 2001] Taluil begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:09 2001] Sebilite guardian was pierced by thorns.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:09 2001] Sebilite guardian was pierced by thorns.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:09 2001] Sebilite guardian glances nervously about.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:10 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:14 2001] Taluil tells the group, 'sebilite guardian is being SLOOOOWWWWWWEDDDDDDD!!'
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:14 2001] Taluil begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:17 2001] You tell your party, 'Casting Fixation of Ro (debuff) on sebilite guardian!'
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:18 2001] You begin casting Fixation of Ro.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:20 2001] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:20 2001] Iliana begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:21 2001] Taluil tells the group, 'sebilite guardian is being SLOOOOWWWWWWEDDDDDDD!!'
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:22 2001] Taluil begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:23 2001] Taluil's casting is interrupted!
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:24 2001] Bridgecrusher Scores a critical hit!(49)
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:26 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:26 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:27 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:27 2001] Taluil begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:27 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:27 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:27 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian is stunned by scintillating colors.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] You tell your party, 'Healing Taluil!'
[Thu Jul 05 20:05:28 2001] Sebilite guardian looks uncomfortable.

[Wayward]

Just ignore Awsten_TX, he fuckin sucks.

[Decad]

https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3108.html


Palarran
07-03-2003, 01:11 AM
Nope, non-wizards can't use the staff of temperate flux.
lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=6342 (http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=6342)
"Effect: LowerElement (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: Instant)"
The "Any Slot/Can Equip" bit means it's usable from inventory only by races and classes listed.

Compare Guise of the Deceiver (clickable from inventory by anyone) with Mask of Deception (clickable from inventory only by bards and rogues):
lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=2469 (http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=2469)
lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=2472 (http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=2472)

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was always so concerned with the archery nerf i didnt bother to go snooping about this "kite meta" we have in p99. People didnt kite like that back in the day

Yes they did. Stop posting nonsense.

Kiting was one of the very first things people realized about how to effectively play the game and DoT's were even nerfed against moving targets (not feared or fleeing) partway through 1999 because it was considered too powerful to kite with those spells. We have better computers/internet now, but Staff of Temperate Flux was absolutely used by Wizards for aggro kiting in the 2000/2001 era; it was one of the few useful things they could do.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes they did. Stop posting nonsense.

Kiting was one of the very first things people realized about how to effectively play the game and DoT's were even nerfed against moving targets (not feared or fleeing) partway through 1999 because it was considered too powerful to kite with those spells. We have better computers/internet now, but Staff of Temperate Flux was absolutely used by Wizards for aggro kiting in the 2000/2001 era; it was one of the few useful things they could do.

People didn't use SoWed wizards with flux staves to handle adds or guards that they didn't want to have to clear.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People didn't use SoWed wizards with flux staves to handle adds or guards that they didn't want to have to clear.

Flux wizards with SoW kited (melee) adds for raids since someone figured it out back in the late 90s bro.

Got 4 adds? Have a wizard flux them and kite them around and the monk / tank can peel off one at a time. Shit's classic.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People didn't use SoWed wizards with flux staves to handle adds or guards that they didn't want to have to clear.

Yeah they did, and not only Wizards. People were more likely to die from lag though, so it wasn't as prevalent in dungeons.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah they did, and not only Wizards. People were more likely to die from lag though, so it wasn't as prevalent in dungeons.

I'm talking about in a ToV context. People killed guards most of the time and didn't go crazy with DA trains and kiters to leapfrog each other like they do on P99.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking about in a ToV context. People killed guards most of the time and didn't go crazy with DA trains and kiters to leapfrog each other like they do on P99.

Some servers were super competitive and did have weird tactics to win mobs. There were many servers where there were MAYBE 2 guilds doing ToV, and they left each other alone.

Can't compare p99 to Live from 2001 for many reasons. But the biggest reason, imo, is that there are way more nerds these days that can dedicate hours to raiding the same fucking targets every 7 days to get loot for their 7th alt. That wasn't the case back then.

If Green followed the Live timeline, Dragons of Norrath would be out. So instead of raiding ToV for the past 5 years, players would have moved on progressing through the expansions. Luclin, PoP, GoD, OoW and DoN all had very heavy raid content.

But also, you speak with such authority about what it was like back then...

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Wayward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But also, you speak with such authority about what it was like back then...

Oh don't you worry I'm just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. But I wouldn't think anything that went on in NToV back in the day was anywhere near as crazy and coordinated as what happens now on P99.