My encounter with Slidein

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says who? There's no rule anywhere stating this and that's obviously not what happens anytime sometime runs a train to a zoneline. Anyone sitting there who dies, it's THEIR OWN FAULT. It's no different anywhere else in the game world. Nobody is privileged to have a protected space that no other player is allowed to run through.

The current p99 rules simply say that you may not intentionally train someone. If you're clearly capable of killing a group of MOBs and trying to do so, and someone else causes aggro on themself because they are sitting too close, that is their fault. To prove someone is intentionally causing a train, it would need to involve either running in a very strange way (aka, gathering MOBs and running to a completely different area where someone is sitting, for no apparent reason) or repeatedly following someone around.

I'm not going to engage with you on this anymore. As already mentioned, the staff have said that you are responsible for your quad unless someone intentionally tries to interfere with it to grief you. Your opinion on how things should be isn't relevant for this discussion, take it up with the staff if you don't like how they handle this issue.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this point, I have a question:

Does anyone remember Sergeant Slate constantly being trained through EC Tunnel back in the day?

It was harmful for an evil race to AFK in tunnel- because someone would always be bringing Slate there to grief AFK toons.

I don't recall bans / suspensions being handed out for these types of trains - does anyone else recall?

It depends on when you're talking about. I was CSR during the classic era and EQ initially did not have any real rules or PNP when it launched...mainly because they just didn't predict the negative things people would do to others in game. Further, some mechanics that then required rules also weren't anticipated at all such as players forming camps and pulling to them.

Eventually the PNP was put in place and then further amended and modified over time. After that time, if Sergeant Slate was intentionally trained to the tunnel you'd be issued a warning; three warnings usually equaled a permanent ban of your account (sometimes there would be a temporary suspension after warnings 1 or 2 depending on the infraction).

That being said, we weren't as well equipped to respond to these types of petitions back then as people are today. People didn't have live screen recording software and server logs would only prove intentional training if they showed someone doing it over and over again. So if they only did it once or twice there would usually be nothing we could do because when you invised into the zone the offender had already ceased doing it so there wasn't proof. This was a common issue back in the day with enforcement of a variety of things such as kill stealing, etc. It could be pretty hard to prove and discipline unless we were lucky enough to get the petition and invis over to watch the offender in real time.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends on when you're talking about. I was CSR during the classic era and EQ initially did not have any real rules or PNP when it launched...mainly because they just didn't predict the negative things people would do to others in game. Further, some mechanics that then required rules also weren't anticipated at all such as players forming camps and pulling to them.

Eventually the PNP was put in place and then further amended and modified over time. After that time, if Sergeant Slate was intentionally trained to the tunnel you'd be issued a warning; three warnings usually equaled a permanent ban of your account (sometimes there would be a temporary suspension after warnings 1 or 2 depending on the infraction).

That being said, we weren't as well equipped to respond to these types of petitions back then as people are today. People didn't have live screen recording software and server logs would only prove intentional training if they showed someone doing it over and over again. So if they only did it once or twice there would usually be nothing we could do because when you invised into the zone the offender had already ceased doing it so there wasn't proof. This was a common issue back in the day with enforcement of a variety of things such as kill stealing, etc. It could be pretty hard to prove and discipline unless we were lucky enough to get the petition and invis over to watch the offender in real time.

Ahhh yeah that makes sense. I was never one to file petitions (or /report back in the day) and I still don't - but I do know that OBS / Screen Caps are a huge part of the petition process on p99 these days.

Thanks!

[kjs86z2]

I have only /petitioned once.

Was set up in NG on my enchanter 10+ years ago. Some fuckhead was clearing trying to pull mobs into my camp and get me killed. He wasn't doing a very good job of it, but annoying nonetheless.

/petition - guy got rekt hard by the guide all within a matter of 5 minutes

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As already mentioned, the staff have said that you are responsible for your quad unless someone intentionally tries to interfere with it to grief you.

They certainly haven't said that in the officially posted rules, and you have yet to show evidence of this to begin with, much less it being how every staff member would respond.

You also don't seem to comprehend that anyone who is sitting in the path of a quad can inherently be deemed as interfering. Particularly when someone clearly knows that another person is quadding in the area, why are they sitting there and not paying attention?

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually the PNP was put in place and then further amended and modified over time. After that time, if Sergeant Slate was intentionally trained to the tunnel you'd be issued a warning

Wrong. Something like that was never an infraction, unless you were doing it over and over, or doing something like using Feign Death right in front of someone else, after clearly pulling a MOB for the sole purpose of transferring aggro like that. Simply getting aggroed by something and running around and the aggro happening to transfer to someone else - that happened 1000's of times a day and was a totally normal, expected part of the game.

MOBs like Sergeant Slate were constantly being "trained" to places like EC tunnel because players were getting attacked by that NPC and needed help to not be killed. It was part of what made the game alive and added community interaction. Some lower level person screaming "help help", running towards you with MOBs in tow.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. Something like that was never an infraction, unless you were doing it over and over, or doing something like using Feign Death right in front of someone else, after clearly pulling a MOB for the sole purpose of transferring aggro like that. Simply getting aggroed by something and running around and the aggro happening to transfer to someone else - that happened 1000's of times a day and was a totally normal, expected part of the game.

MOBs like Sergeant Slate were constantly being "trained" to places like EC tunnel because players were getting attacked by that NPC and needed help to not be killed. It was part of what made the game alive and added community interaction. Some lower level person screaming "help help", running towards you with MOBs in tow.

No shit. Your reading comprehension is pretty poor.

[Zuranthium]

??? You're not saying anything and just contradicting yourself now.

"Training" Sergeant Slate into EC tunnel was never a punishable offense, when it simply happened as a natural part of existing in the game world. Someone absolutely could be doing it on purpose, the purpose being not getting killed, and it was allowed.

Your claim that it only happened because "people didn't have live screen recording software and CSR needed to see logs of it happening many times" is completely false. It was allowed because it was a normal part of the fucking game, same for any other sort of similar incident of running around and MOB aggro transferring while trying to play the game.

[Duik]

Excellent.

Assuming cd288 was a csr back in the day, what they say carries more weight than anything World Bore Z has to say. If they were not csr. Burn In Hell!

Although being a shit cunt on a video game becomes acceptable where those of like mind will defend said actions.

Has this Slidein character come forward? Either is oblivious or a shit cunt.
My money is on they are a shit cunt laughing at this thread.