NPC Spawn Issue: Sontalak's Molten Breath wasn't a proc, it was every 12 sec (with in-era video proof)

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists in general on p99 are way weaker than they where on live

https://www.eqemulator.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=44358

Is Nilbog aware of this? There's an incredible amount of P99 applicable information here that would make the server infinitely more classic.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists in general on p99 are way weaker than they where on live

I claim that Sontalak's fear (and Zlandicar's) should be easy to resist even relative to other dragons. Here are some additional anecdotes -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20020225145634/http://pub35.ezboard.com/fthesafehousethebackroomsecretsspoilers.showMessag e?topicID=9399.topic&index=34

Prodigious
Safehouse Supporter
(1/19/02 1:21:27 am)
Reply Re: re:One Clicker Buffs reason you don't notice his fear is because you will resist it 99.9% of the time, because has the same resist check as shaman slow or something like that you have the shaman frogs cast on you in sebilis...and you know how often that lands (you go WTF if it does once in a blue moon).

there are two versions of Dragon Roar - one is the weak version (naggy, vox, ragefire, faydedar, sontalak, zlandicar), and another has 'Dragon Resistance' check, (wuoshi, kunark dragons, klandicar).

back when players were lvl 40-50 with 25 base MR the fear was probably a very hard part about naggy and vox for example...but these days it's nothing.

one thing that still annoys me to heck is that a resisted AE means you still get the icon in your buffs

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20020221151526/http://pub35.ezboard.com/fthesafehousethebackroomsecretsspoilers.showMessag e?topicID=9512.topic

notwen
Safehouse Supporter
(1/17/02 7:04:25 am)
Reply Re: Zlandicar toughness Hey Loth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About all I can attest to on Zland is the weakness of the fear. Only time I've "fought" him was when we had about 3 groups in DN fighting Vilefang and Zland warped on top of us. We had neither the people nor the levels for the fight, so of course we went down...but I was hit with his fear several times. I wasn't prepared (MR only about 130ish at the time) and it was mostly resisted, the few times it wasn't it indeed only lasted a second or two.

They are consistently described in era as easy to resist with 120+ mr whereas people describe having trouble with other dragons (e.g. Kunark dragons who are not fishes, Wuoshi, Klandicar)

[CrazyPro]

So, to sum this up:

P99 is mistakenly using the Luclin version of Sontalak

In Velious, Sontalak's fire AE did 400 damage, and was on a recast timer with variance (12-20 seconds?) and he used the version of dragon roar with no negative resist modifier rather than the -150mr one he's wrongly using on P99. He should have a self dispel on a 36 second recast that should look like this:
1: Cancel Magic (9)
2: Cancel Magic (9)
3: Cancel Magic (9)
4: Cancel Magic (9)
5: Decrease Disease Counter by 36 <- this component was added to the spell in Luclin

[Rygar]

Appreciate this classic quest. Separate item: may want to look into in era spawn rates. On live they spawn much more frequently, I had found some evidence about faster respawn, which I think it was changed to at some point in velious.

Gotta be careful when people say spawn, which often meant after server reset mob was not up. Took some time to pop. Respawn timer was respawn rate after initial death. That feature is a known bug on P99

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In Velious, Sontalak's fire AE did 400 damage

I could never find any spell data confirmation of this. It's possible he originally cast Lava Breath, which would put it at 500 (the spell id for Molten Breath translates to a Lava Breath on Live and they have the same text, ect.), but Molten Breath was in from the beginning of Velious and not used for anything else afaik, so there's nothing other than anecdotes to suggest the lower value. It was also described as easy to partially resist so the bad information could be attributed to that even though the source was very credible.

Originally Posted by https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archives/blob/master/spdat/Historical%20SPDAT%20Data.xlsx

12/9/2000 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels
1/9/2001 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels
2/1/2001 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels
3/7/2001 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels
4/5/2001 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels
8/22/2001 Molten Breath Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 650 (L1) Cancel Magic + 9 levels

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

was on a recast timer with variance (12-20 seconds?)

I don't have a ton of experience reading rawish spell data, but I think these are the relevant fields -

Originally Posted by https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archives/blob/master/spdat/Historical%20SPDAT%20Data.xlsx

12 None Instantaneous 0 0 0 44 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire NPC
12 None Instantaneous 0 0 0 44 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire NPC
12 None Instantaneous 0 0 0 44 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire NPC
12 None Instantaneous 0 0 0 44 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire NPC
12 None Instantaneous 0 0 0 44 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire NPC
12 None Instantaneous 0 0 5 0 61 Hit Points (HP) -650 0 Cancel Magic 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 Fire Target Based AoE

The first column is "Recovery Time", the last column is "Target", same dates as above. The recovery time obviously suggests 12s, but I'm unclear on how much the target field and the change on 8/22/2001 mean. It matches up with other target-centered AoEs like Chaos Breath, but not PBAoEs with strict cooldowns like Silver Breath and Lava Breath, which instead list "Point Blank AoE".

Hopefully someone more experienced with reading these can weigh in.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could never find any spell data confirmation of this. It's possible he originally cast Lava Breath, which would put it at 500 (the spell id for Molten Breath translates to a Lava Breath on Live and they have the same text, ect.), but Molten Breath was in from the beginning of Velious and not used for anything else afaik, so there's nothing other than anecdotes to suggest the lower value. It was also described as easy to partially resist so the bad information could be attributed to that even though the source was very credible.





I don't have a ton of experience reading rawish spell data, but I think these are the relevant fields -



The first column is "Recovery Time", the last column is "Target", same dates as above. The recovery time obviously suggests 12s, but I'm unclear on how much the target field and the change on 8/22/2001 mean. It matches up with other target-centered AoEs like Chaos Breath, but not PBAoEs with strict cooldowns like Silver Breath and Lava Breath, which instead list "Point Blank AoE".

Hopefully someone more experienced with reading these can weigh in.

Okay, it was definitely 650: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...99455069842917

invising past
#Jul 07 2001 at 7:04 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous
Hiya, just wanted to let you know that as of the last patch, you can no longer invis past him. If he is scowling he will eat you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I tried to train him to ToV (level 60 rogue with sow and aego) he still ate me. Hit for over 500's and bashed for around 140. Ae was about 600 dmg. Needless to say, bash (stun), three melee rounds and 1 ae later i was toast, i never got much past the doorway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] To repeat, he is NO LONGER safe to invis past, i went by him before with invis and he was scowling, but not since patch.

[Rygar]

(level 60 rogue with sow and aego) he still ate me.

Can P99 rogues h/s sneak past Sont?

Rogue Hide/Sneak is super OP on P99, there are live mobs that still see through sneak and anecdotal evidence to back this up (such as brother balatin for monk epic). I've found mobs on live that have a seemingly random chance of spawning to see past sneak, but I haven't tested with higher level sneaks to see if that affects it any

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, it was definitely 650: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...99455069842917

I lean that way mostly based on the spell data, but for what it's worth I didn't think that post was credible. They were being hit so it would be easy to confuse the char proc for the aoe, and they get the max hit wrong which suggests they may be exaggerating.

Allakhazam posts are a real mixed bag in my experience.