Bow damage formula?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snaggles PM'ed me with a similar question about archery, but more specifically about BFG. I'll post my initial findings reply here:

If it is the melee formula then:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)
[Mod] is calculated as: ([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100

Do you know if Mod uses offense or archery?

If I guesstimate (210 + 215)/4 = 4.25 for my Mod @54

Then 12dmg bow, 5dmg arrow and an argent protector so 25dmg bonus

(4.25 x 17) + 25 = 97 max hit.

I'd have to double check but I'm not sure i've ever seen a 97dmg bow hit ever, highest has been mid 60s without crit but I'd have to reconfirm, haven't used bow extensively the last few levels. Am I missing something?

Using dext (110ish) instead of str gives a 80 max hit, probably much closer to the truth but a zillion people (one guy from my research?) reported bows use str so I don't know about that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it is the melee formula then:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)
[Mod] is calculated as: ([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100

Do you know if Mod uses offense or archery?

If I guesstimate (210 + 215)/4 = 4.25 for my Mod @54

Then 12dmg bow, 5dmg arrow and an argent protector so 25dmg bonus

(4.25 x 17) + 25 = 97 max hit.

I'd have to double check but I'm not sure i've ever seen a 97dmg bow hit ever, highest has been mid 60s without crit but I'd have to reconfirm, haven't used bow extensively the last few levels. Am I missing something?

Using dext (110ish) instead of str gives a 80 max hit, probably much closer to the truth but a zillion people (one guy from my research?) reported bows use str so I don't know about that.

Yeah the question I haven't answered is if bows use STR, DEX, or neither for the damage calculation. If your parses show that you never hit for higher than 80, my guess is STR isn't used for bows specifically.

In the EQEMU code they have a specific exception for bows to use DEX instead of STR. Since that special exception is already in place, it wouldn't be difficult to modify the special exception to use neither STR or DEX for bows on P99.

My SK at 68 Archery Skill has hit for up to 150 with a weighted axe in mainhand using a 25 damage bow with 1 damage arrows. My DPS calculator shows a max damage of 152 using my setup from the previous sentence if my STR was set to 1. I didn't do a ton of testing, but it is an interesting result that supports the idea that STR isn't used for bows.

Can you do some more parsing to get a better idea of your max damage with your bow and arrow setup?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the question I haven't answered is if bows use STR, DEX, or neither for the damage calculation. If your parses show that you never hit for higher than 80, my guess is STR isn't used for bows specifically.

In the EQEMU code they have a specific exception for bows to use DEX instead of STR. Since that special exception is already in place, it wouldn't be difficult to modify the special exception to use neither STR or DEX for bows on P99.

My SK at 68 Archery Skill has hit for up to 150 with a weighted axe in mainhand using a 25 damage bow with 1 damage arrows. My DPS calculator shows a max damage of 152 using my setup from the previous sentence if my STR was set to 1. I didn't do a ton of testing, but it is an interesting result that supports the idea that STR isn't used for bows.

Can you do some more parsing to get a better idea of your max damage with your bow and arrow setup?

Fired a couple stacks this morning.

54 ranger
Min hit 27
max hit 70

12dmg bow
5dmg arrows
25dmg bonus (42/49 weap)
227str self buffed
101dex
1110atk

I just leveled so offense/archery/2hs moved a bit but they were all maxed at 53 so probably won't move the needle much.

Btw, as far as I know the claim that archery doesn't use dex but str comes from this post where Ivory states:

We discovered it when we were both archering, and I noticed him hitting way more than me. Surely this was impossible, since my DEX is 226 unbuffed...and his is only 100 or so. BUT he had 225+ str!! and mine is only 99!!

So we stripped him naked and had him archery with low str...and it was true!!! Archering is using the wrong stat!!! Crazy? I agree!! Super crazy!!

Notice no mention of weapons used so if she was DWing and he stripped his swarmcaller then that could explain the disparity but who knows. Seeing most rangers have a huge str/dex disparity this should easily be figured out with the proper max hit formula.