Found my first a-hole on the Blue Server

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly like the line at the movie theater, except for one thing: maybe get yo ass beat.

Again, the line at a movie theater is defined to work a certain way; if you don't follow the rules, you get in trouble (eg. an ass beating). Same with the "line" at a busy bar: if you don't follow the rule (of trying to get the bartender's attention), the consequence is you don't get a drink. Or if you try to steal someone else's drink, maybe you get thrown out.

P99 is no different: if someone else kills a mob that you were "in line for" (ie. you killed it last, and you didn't leave) you will face a punishment (eg. the staff will give you a warning or suspension).

But if you make up your own rules for any line (eg. "I'm going to wait for my turn at a busy bar" or "I'm going to assume that a mob is mine because I sat in front of its spawn point in an empty zone") you will potentially be disappointed when others don't follow them.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, the line at a movie theater is defined to work a certain way; if you don't follow the rules, you get in trouble (eg. an ass beating). Same with the "line" at a busy bar: if you don't follow the rule (of trying to get the bartender's attention), the consequence is you don't get a drink. Or if you try to steal someone else's drink, maybe you get thrown out.

P99 is no different: if someone else kills a mob that you were "in line for" (ie. you killed it last, and you didn't leave) you will face a punishment (eg. the staff will give you a warning or suspension).

But if you make up your own rules for any line (eg. "I'm going to wait for my turn at a busy bar" or "I'm going to assume that a mob is mine because I sat in front of its spawn point in an empty zone") you will potentially be disappointed when others don't follow them.

What about the line outside the movie theater you dumpster fire.

[kjs86z2]

The only dumb rule in this whole thing is the "los" shit.

Take C/E in Seb. Years ago this was known / understood that it was a single camp, and often pinned down by groups of 4-6 players.

Now idiots are claiming each one of the 4 rooms is a camp and emperor is a camp.

This would have been tossed as nonsense years ago.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now idiots are claiming each one of the 4 rooms is a camp and emperor is a camp.

This is my main gripe with PNP. Anytime I mention this people try to twist my words like I just want them to nuke the PNP so I can go around KS'ing people (which is something I would never do even if there was zero rules). A lot of my nostalgia for EverQuest was going to Lower Guk to level / exp. I remember feeling really deflated when I went to Lower Guk on P99 the first time and found that the PNP had actually transformed it into a high level AFK camp zone and that you basically could no longer go to this zone to grind EXP.

In that regard, TLP is actually dramatically more classic than P99 is because on TLP it's still the norm for the group that sits at BR to pull the gargoyles and Ghoul Ritualist mobs. On TLP it's still the norm for the group that sits at ASS/SUP to pull from the cav/exe/sage area. Or to pull minotaurs if cav/exe/sage is already camped. On TLP it's still the norm for the group that sits at Ghoul AM to clear towards the Ghoul Lord, and to also kill the Hand. On TLP it's till the norm for the group that sits at Frenzied Ghoul to also pull the Ghoul Sentinel and all the mobs in that area. It's also the norm for each of these groups to try to steal mobs from each other for extra EXP, and this incentivizes you to invite more players to your group because more dps = more mobs your group can kill before the other group snags them.

To me this is how the game was played in 1999 and how these zones were designed to be played. The crypt in Sebilis again, was always a camp for a whole group of players; not some place where a high level player AFK camps a single mob. The crypt on TLPs is still an EXP camp. It's one of the main perks of being a Rogue on a TLP, you get crypt groups easy af since they need lockpicking to get inside and the exp is good. Group constantly moves together from Emp Chottal all the way back to the four corners clearing the content as they go.

I'm sure the PNP is great in many cases, and well intended, but it has removed a lot of the true classic experience of leveling in dungeons into something that no longer exists.

Also this is one of my biggest pet peeves too. There are a lot of camps in Lower Guk that a player cannot clear on their own, but if someone else clears it for them, they can easily hold said camp. There was so many vultures hiding in the shadows in L GUK when P99 green first launched, waiting for my group at Ghoul AM to clear Ghoul Lord so they could pop out of the shadows and now demand that I give them one of the two camps that they couldn't have cleared on their own. I almost feel like they should add some rule that before you hand over the camp to the person who is demanding it that you should be allowed to let the mobs at said camp all completely respawn to see if they can take said camp on their own. Because 99% of the time they cannot. It's actually toxic af.

[kjs86z2]

If I took a 4+ man group down into CE and it was empty / all up, and we start holding down all of CE and some dubber pops on and claims heiro I would instruct my group to just DPS kill steal.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I took a 4+ man group down into CE and it was empty / all up, and we start holding down all of CE and some dubber pops on and claims heiro I would instruct my group to just DPS kill steal.

If there are four of you each could hold a camp and you just agree to help eachother out on kills and share xp?

[shovelquest]

AITA for refusing to honor “cold rules” and not letting empty chairs hold spots in line?

My boyfriend and I showed up at 8:00am to GameStop for the Pokémon card drop. We sat in our car until 8:30, and during that whole 30 minutes nothing about the line changed.

When we finally got out, I saw 3 actual people standing in line, then 6 empty chairs, and then 2 people sitting in chairs after the empty ones. Those 6 chairs had been empty the entire time we were watching.

I walked up to the two people at the end and asked if they were in line. They said yes, and that the back of the line was behind them. I said, “Okay, cool scoot up and we can get behind you.” They refused and said the 6 empty chairs were “saving spots” for people who were waiting in their cars. They told me it was the “cold rules” and I had to respect them.

I told them I wasn’t doing that. If you’re not physically in line, a chair doesn’t hold your place. So again I offered for them to get in front of us, they said no so my boyfriend and I got behind the 3 actual people in line and waited for about an hour. Twenty minutes before opening, all the people who had been sitting in their cars suddenly got out, ran to claim their empty-chair spots, and immediately started complaining that we “cut” them.

When the GameStop employee came out, people were yelling at us. I explained that when we arrived there were 3 people, then empty space, then these two people at the end. I even tried to get the two at the end to move up in front of us, but they refused because of their “cold rules.” The employee confirmed that chairs do not save your spot… but also said that we still “technically cut” because there were 2 people in line we got in front of.

I’m genuinely confused how that counts as cutting when I literally asked them to move up so we could get behind them, and they refused. People were screaming enough that we just left and went to Best Buy instead, where we got cards with no drama.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAssho...rules_and_not/

[druidbob]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true, or at least it is not how it is enforced by GMs. And I know this because I personally ate a suspension for doing exactly what you you are claiming in this thread to be allowed ( claiming fte on a named mob when another group was established at the camp). So either you are wrong, or I want those five days back.

[Ekco]

"online experiences may vary" in eula applies to CSR rulings also.

everyone focusing on the rule lawyering, the tells is what rubs me the wrong way with the passive aggressiveness "you can have the camp if you really want it" my brother in christ you're in the warrens together what the fuck do you think he's sitting there for.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by druidbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but this is simply not true, or at least it is not how it is enforced by GMs. And I know this because I personally ate a suspension for doing exactly what you you are claiming in this thread to be allowed ( claiming fte on a named mob when another group was established at the camp). So either you are wrong, or I want those five days back.

Sometimes the guide is ignorant of how the rules actually work though, had that come up a few times over the years. Don’t blame them as the rules are awful to read and even more hellish to try and find.