Found my first a-hole on the Blue Server

[Mrobillard]

He was anon so I am not sure what guild. To answer some questions, yes, I did a /who and the zone was empty when I logged on.

Seems like there is some confusion around the rules but regardless it was still a dick move. My Druid is 31 at the moment and has been spending time in the Warrens a fair amount lately as I still get exp from several mobs in the zone. Many times when I log in there is someone camping the king or I killed him and needed to leave the zone to sell, come back and someone else is there. I don’t try to take back over the camp. Similarly, countless high level character have zoned in, see me sitting there, wish me luck and log off.

I once logged in and no one there and with a couple of minutes a nice level 60 monk came in and said he went LD but wished me luck. I happily gave the camp back to him.

The point I am trying to make is there a right and honourable way to play the game, whether strictly the rules or not, I think most would agree this was not the “right” thing to do.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Mrobillard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was anon so I am not sure what guild. To answer some questions, yes, I did a /who and the zone was empty when I logged on.

Seems like there is some confusion around the rules but regardless it was still a dick move. My Druid is 31 at the moment and has been spending time in the Warrens a fair amount lately as I still get exp from several mobs in the zone. Many times when I log in there is someone camping the king or I killed him and needed to leave the zone to sell, come back and someone else is there. I don’t try to take back over the camp. Similarly, countless high level character have zoned in, see me sitting there, wish me luck and log off.

I once logged in and no one there and with a couple of minutes a nice level 60 monk came in and said he went LD but wished me luck. I happily gave the camp back to him.

The point I am trying to make is there a right and honourable way to play the game, whether strictly the rules or not, I think most would agree this was not the “right” thing to do.

Well buddy, I have some fantastic news for you. This is prime time to put that druid to good use. There are crocs in CT that are an amazing charm kill camp. You won't want to return to the Warrens anytime soon.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_Alligator_Pit

Start in the pit, get the hang of it, then move into the Alley.

You're welcome.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mrobillard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like there is some confusion around the rules but regardless it was still a dick move.

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The point I am trying to make is there a right and honourable way to play the game, whether strictly the rules or not, I think most would agree this was not the “right” thing to do.

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are crocs in CT that are an amazing charm kill camp. You won't want to return to the Warrens anytime soon.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_Alligator_Pit

Start in the pit, get the hang of it, then move into the Alley.

You're welcome.

As the author of both that page and the Alley page, I strongly endorse this message [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

yes in the same way you would if it had to do with operating in real life.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes in the same way you would if it had to do with operating in real life.

Player A does a CC and player B does not respond.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

I mean in England we form queues. It is cool and normal to respect those there before you, but I appreciate in your part of the world (wherever that is) it may be different. Even at a bar we mentally queue and defer to someone who has been waiting longer if engaged by the bartender out of order.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean in England we form queues. It is cool and normal to respect those there before you, but I appreciate in your part of the world (wherever that is) it may be different. Even at a bar we mentally queue and defer to someone who has been waiting longer if engaged by the bartender out of order.

U FOKIN WOT M8?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean in England we form queues. It is cool and normal to respect those there before you, but I appreciate in your part of the world (wherever that is) it may be different. Even at a bar we mentally queue and defer to someone who has been waiting longer if engaged by the bartender out of order.

In America, as in England, we form lines when it's appropriate. And we can even be a bit too passionate about them. But let's talk about bars.

At any busy American bar, no one worries about anyone else; they simply try to flag down a bartender. The bartenders decide how the "queue" works: randomly, based on wait time, serve the hotter customers first, etc.

P99 has founders, not bartenders. They could have made spawn claims work any number of different ways, or made every mob FTE, or simply allowed DPS races. It's their game and their rules ... but the rules they chose don't say "if Bob decides a minute prior to Fred that he wants to sit on a spawn point, it's now Bob's spawn".

If you go to a busy bar, and sit quietly, expecting the bartender to pick you when it's your turn, you could sit there all night without a drink. You'd think he's an asshole for not serving you, and he wouldn't even be thinking of you at all, because he was too busy dealing with customers who flagged him down (ie. followed the rules of the line).

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Mrobillard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was anon so I am not sure what guild. To answer some questions, yes, I did a /who and the zone was empty when I logged on.

Seems like there is some confusion around the rules but regardless it was still a dick move. My Druid is 31 at the moment and has been spending time in the Warrens a fair amount lately as I still get exp from several mobs in the zone. Many times when I log in there is someone camping the king or I killed him and needed to leave the zone to sell, come back and someone else is there. I don’t try to take back over the camp. Similarly, countless high level character have zoned in, see me sitting there, wish me luck and log off.

I once logged in and no one there and with a couple of minutes a nice level 60 monk came in and said he went LD but wished me luck. I happily gave the camp back to him.

The point I am trying to make is there a right and honourable way to play the game, whether strictly the rules or not, I think most would agree this was not the “right” thing to do.

Welcome to life. There are rules, people follow them in different ways, people that don't follow them are penalized. Some people engage in business honorably others deceptively. As long as its done legally that's the only thing that counts in the eyes of the law. The rest is up for you to reconcile internally against your own belief system.