Cani II Quest Help

[garyogburn]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll let the avatar comment slide. Here's something I've been wondering about: people always put such an importance on JBB and for instance how bad and game-changing it is that Iksar can't use them; however, at level 60 when you have Torpor and so can just cannibalize indefinitely, is the JBB really that useful/worthwhile? Basically, is it just important up to 60 or does it continue to be game-changing at 60?

When is manafree damage not useful? JBB frees up mana for other more useful spells.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by garyogburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When is manafree damage not useful? JBB frees up mana for other more useful spells.

Manafree damage is not useful when all your mana is free anyway because you can caniballize ad infinitum. Is this really that hard a concept? Once you hit 60, the real question is how much time it takes to cast a spell and canni up the mana for it, not how much mana it takes. If it takes less time to cast a spell that does some amount of damage and canni back up than it takes to use the JBB to do the same amount of damage, then the JBB is not worth using. "Freeing up mana" is meaningless if you have an endless supply.

[greatdane]

JBB is mostly a leveling tool. It's amazing for that, but it isn't too crucial at 60. Note that Torpor is one of the rarest spells in the game, though. I'd say JBB still has the occasional use at 60, because you can get into situations where you don't have the mana to cast anything much and don't have time to canni several times, cast Torpor, wait several ticks to regenerate and then cast a nuke or dot. It's unlikely to happen often, but it can. The theory that "JBB becomes obsolete at 60 because it's more effective to canni and use the mana for spells" is only valid if you have all the time in the world to do so. If you're OOM with 40% health left and a nearly dead mob mauling your face, JBB will help you much more than trying to twitch up enough mana to cast something while getting pummeled. It's a slow cast, but not nearly as slow as canni-torpor-wait-wait-canni-canni-nuke.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBB is mostly a leveling tool. It's amazing for that, but it isn't too crucial at 60. Note that Torpor is one of the rarest spells in the game, though. I'd say JBB still has the occasional use at 60, because you can get into situations where you don't have the mana to cast anything much and don't have time to canni several times, cast Torpor, wait several ticks to regenerate and then cast a nuke or dot. It's unlikely to happen often, but it can. The theory that "JBB becomes obsolete at 60 because it's more effective to canni and use the mana for spells" is only valid if you have all the time in the world to do so. If you're OOM with 40% health left and a nearly dead mob mauling your face, JBB will help you much more than trying to twitch up enough mana to cast something while getting pummeled. It's a slow cast, but not nearly as slow as canni-torpor-wait-wait-canni-canni-nuke.

You have a point, though I would argue that in that situation if you can get a torpor off it's preferable to doing anything else, because then you have plenty of time and HP to deal with the mob, whereas if you're in trouble and your JBB cast is resisted or something you might really be fucked.

[garyogburn]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Manafree damage is not useful when all your mana is free anyway because you can caniballize ad infinitum. Is this really that hard a concept? Once you hit 60, the real question is how much time it takes to cast a spell and canni up the mana for it, not how much mana it takes. If it takes less time to cast a spell that does some amount of damage and canni back up than it takes to use the JBB to do the same amount of damage, then the JBB is not worth using. "Freeing up mana" is meaningless if you have an endless supply.

Because I havent played a shaman at 60, ill take your word for its limited usefulness at that point. But I cant imagine not having it pre 60 due to how it gives me an extremely efficient damage source when every damage spell I have costs quite a bit of mana that id rather save for an extra slow or heal.