AC softcap and low level hardcap discussion

[Naethyn]

I've also been working on a project, but kinda the opposite. In my spare time I've been attacking https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth and recording the melee dps. Not sure it is useful, but these type of projects are fun and sometimes revealing.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this q is a and a but have you tried a shield in back and secondary simultaneously?

I did. On the 411 AC test against the level 50 mob I had Sarnak Battle Shield in Secondary and Lodi on my back.

To me the results looked like only the Sarnak Battle Shield was increasing the softcap.

I didn't try that test on speil. However, the results of my previous post show having lodi on back is the same as not having lodi on back, and having 23 AC elsewhere. Personally I highly doubt you'd get a special bonus by having shields in both slots specifically.

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Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've also been working on a project, but kinda the opposite. In my spare time I've been attacking https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth and recording the melee dps. Not sure it is useful, but these type of projects are fun and sometimes revealing.

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Corudoth is a great parse target. I use him quite a bit to test out different weapons and to get data on theories.

[bcbrown]

Good data DSM. One question that occurred to me, what weapon was Shiel using for those three tests? As a rogue she'll have a higher piercing skill. I'm on my third test now, and they've all been versus punches, no weapon.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good data DSM. One question that occurred to me, what weapon was Shiel using for those three tests? As a rogue she'll have a higher piercing skill. I'm on my third test now, and they've all been versus punches, no weapon.

She had a spear of some kind. It wasn't a special graphic, so probably fine steel, combine, or rusty.

I don't believe she spawns with weapons. At least according to the wiki. Out of curiousity, did you give her the weapon? I was a little suprised to see her with a spear, and the Karanas aren't particularly busy on blue.

[Jimjam]

Thanks for having the patience to reanswer my double shield question DSM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe she spawns with weapons. At least according to the wiki. Out of curiousity, did you give her the weapon? I was a little suprised to see her with a spear, and the Karanas aren't particularly busy on blue.

Pretty sure she spawns with weapons. Since March she's hit me with 1496 crushes, 5405 pierces, and 13168 hand-to-hand.

[bcbrown]

Ok, finished my parses.

No Shield:
1723 hits
71563 total damage
41.534 damage/hit

Shield in back:
1060 hits
44391 total damage
41.878 damage/hit

Shield in secondary:
1397 hits
58285 total damage
41.721 damage/hit

This is awesome, the most-hilarious scenario I outlined the other day is coming true. I'll do a little more data analysis later and give DSM the equal-hit-count analysis he wants, but might be tomorrow before I get to it.

 

My total AC is in the mid-200s, so I'm guessing I'm below any cap that may exist

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, finished my parses.

No Shield:
1723 hits
71563 total damage
41.534 damage/hit

Shield in back:
1060 hits
44391 total damage
41.878 damage/hit

Shield in secondary:
1397 hits
58285 total damage
41.721 damage/hit

This is awesome, the most-hilarious scenario I outlined the other day is coming true. I'll do a little more data analysis later and give DSM the equal-hit-count analysis he wants, but might be tomorrow before I get to it.

 

My total AC is in the mid-200s, so I'm guessing I'm below any cap that may exist

My tests are only using worn AC. Taking a look at your previous comment:

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I just finished a test against Shiel Glimmerspindel, using a 60 druid. Both sides had 198 worn ac and 61 spell ac for a total of 259.

You are using spell AC to go over 200 AC.

My two guesses right now are:

1. Spell AC is not softcapped.
2. Priest softcap may be higher than 200. I haven't locked in any of the softcap values yet. I am using the EQEMU as a starting point.

Our tests aren't 1 to 1 right now since you are using spell AC, and you can't get above 300 AC. It isn't that suprising there may be a difference.

I'll do a spell AC test to see if it gets softcapped.

[bcbrown]

I'm confused and not sure what you think the hardcap and softcap values are that apply to a 60 druid. Could you lay out your theory in more detail?

I think it's something like this? There's a 100 ac softcap for leather classes, and a 0.17 multiplier on AC over 100. There's some hardcap, maybe 217 or 289? Shield AC can skip the softcap, and maybe spell AC, we don't know.

So for the example of a 60 druid with 198 worn ac and 61 spell AC, with 23 of that worn AC being a shield in the secondary slot, that would mean:
100 ac below the softcap counts for
98 ac above the softcap, 75 non-shield and 23 shield ac. 75 * 0.17 gives 12.75 ac, and the shield isn't scaled, so 35.75 ac
The 61 spell ac may not be softcapped, so it's worth 61 ac.
Total "effective AC" is 100 + 35.75 + 61 or 196.75

Is that your theory? Because if so, same scenario but with all the AC being non-shield:
100 ac below the softcap counts for
98 ac above the softcap. 98 * 0.17 gives 16.66 ac
The 61 spell ac may not be softcapped, so it's worth 61 ac.
Total "effective AC" is 100 + 16.66 + 61 or 177.66

So I don't see what you mean by talking about the spell AC component. Obviously in the numbers above we don't know if 100 softcap or 0.17 returns above are the right values.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you describe the methodology before you do any test for spell AC softcap interaction.

[bcbrown]

I guess another way to put it is, if spell AC is not softcapped, and shield AC is not softcapped, then if spell AC and worn AC is constant across the tests but one side has shield AC and one side doesn't, shouldn't the side with the shield still perform better?