AC softcap and low level hardcap discussion - Page 14

Crede · #**131** 10-14-2025, 08:19 PM

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I've been swapping in my PD sword (https://wiki.project1999.com/Sword_of_Rile) after EC/Whip slow, then swapping between that for the 230 rune and my primal 2hander to keep avatar up. I haven't parsed it or anything, but it feels a bit better than just putting whip in main hand. The stronger rune shield and 100% avatar is possibly offsetting the slight drop is dps.

Interesting. Could you parse that against some mobs? Rile ratio is pretty bad, but curious how much the higher rune and less riposteS offsets the higher dps weapons.

Snaggles · #**132** 10-14-2025, 10:49 PM

A Meljeldin has a 23.4% better ratio if you count the relative damage bonuses.

I certainly think it would be a solid tanking weapon, just a matter of if doing less dps but getting a heavy rune makes up for it.

TytosOfEight · #**133** 10-15-2025, 05:05 PM

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Interesting. Could you parse that against some mobs? Rile ratio is pretty bad, but curious how much the higher rune and less riposteS offsets the higher dps weapons.

Yeah I definitely can. My char is parked for a little while atm but I'll do some parsing as soon as I'm done here.

Ennewi · #**134** 10-16-2025, 01:39 PM

If only shield AC applied to back slot shields as well. Would up the value of lodi shield, compensating for its lack of HP. More shields should have been back slot equippable, with draco's remaining as it was originally.

Jimjam · #**135** 10-16-2025, 01:43 PM

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If only shield AC applied to back slot shields as well. Would up the value of lodi shield, compensating for its lack of HP. More shields should have been back slot equippable, with draco's remaining as it was originally.

Have you tested that it doesn’t? (:

Ennewi · #**136** 10-16-2025, 01:54 PM

Too busy shielding self IRL. Perhaps when able to return to Norrath, I'll throw it on a 60 knight and let mobs have at it.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**137** 10-16-2025, 02:35 PM

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Have you tested that it doesn’t? (:

My 386 AC test included a Lodi Shield on my back, and I didn't have a significant reduction in damage. I didn't do extensive testing, but so far I think shield AC only works while in your offhand.

Jimjam · #**138** 10-16-2025, 04:08 PM

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My 386 AC test included a Lodi Shield on my back, and I didn't have a significant reduction in damage. I didn't do extensive testing, but so far I think shield AC only works while in your offhand.

Did that include a shield on secondary slot too?

DeathsSilkyMist · #**139** 10-16-2025, 05:40 PM

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Did that include a shield on secondary slot too?

No. The 386 AC tests were without a shield in the secondary slot. Lodi Shield was in the backslot. The gains between 300 AC and 386 AC weren't large. I don't think I used Lodi Shield in the back slot for the 300 AC test, but I could be wrong. Equipping a Sarnak Battle shield in thr secondary slot, which boosted me to 411 AC, did give me larger gains.

bcbrown · #**140** 10-17-2025, 12:06 AM

I just finished a test against Shiel Glimmerspindel, using a 60 druid. Both sides had 198 worn ac and 61 spell ac for a total of 259. The first side had the lodi shield in the back slot, and the second side had it in the secondary slot. I ended up with 909 hits on the first test and 587 on the second. Back slot had 40 damage/hit, 33.55% min hit, 0.77% max hit. Secondary slot had 39.7 damage/hit, 33.22% min hit, 1.36% max hit.

I was hoping to take 1500-2000 hits per side, but took a peek, saw the hits and intermediate results, and decided to call it there. I'm going to restart the test at slightly lower total AC and compare three treatments: no lodi shield; lodi shield in back slot; lodi shield in secondary slot.

If no-shield and back-slot have the same damage/hit while shield in secondary has lower damage/hit, that means shield AC has an impact on a 60 druid against a 40 mob. If they're all the same that would imply it doesn't have an impact. Either way I'll then do another test with ~20 less worn ac. This'll all probaby be on Sunday; it takes a ton of time so I'm only doing it while watching football.

The preliminary results showed no difference in damage/hit between lodi shield in back slot and lodi shield in secondary slot, which seems to contradict DSM's results. I don't think we can rule out mob-specific AC squelching, but would love for DSM to run some tests at those same AC intervals as he did previously, but against Shiel.