Depressing news

[red_demonman]

Wonder if all this bullshit effects the chances for a new P99 server. Probably.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused: that link I found looks pretty live, and their Discord has 19,128 members (1,590) live, with people actively talking about the game even today. It doesn't look very "imploded" to me, and again Wikipedia reported that they were back up about a month after the event you mentioned (just rebranded as "Elysium Project 'Nighthaven'").

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[Infectious]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

[Xathos53]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Odd, when I do that same exact query, I don't get an AI explanation ... but I do see https://elysium-project.org/news/165...e+Announcement as the very first link. And it's not just Google who thinks it's still active: if you click the Discord link on that site, it has almost 20k people ... are they really all there for a sever that's been dead for seven years?

If I keep going in the search results, the next one is a Reddit from the time you mentioned (seven years ago) called "Project Elysium is no more: Admin stole server funds ...". Proves your point, right?

Except, I also see a far more recent Reddit (three years ago) asking "Any *Fresh* Vanilla WoW servers? elysium seems to be kinda old". Why are people looking for a fresh take on the "old" Elysium ... in 2022 ... when it imploded in 2017?

[shovelquest]

Loramin. At this point I have no fucking clue what you're trying to figure out.

MY point is that NOST was highly against monetization and it was shut down.

You brought up Elysium.

Elysium was Nost's successor, used Nost's assets, was highly monetized, had theft within its own management, and it never got shut down.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Xathos53 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise..

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[Bisonzabi]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone here would've done the same shit THJ did. Akka writing dear John letters when he was hosting the server is laughable. Don't even get me into the garbage servers this guy put together(In 18 years BTW lol).

Except they wouldn't. This is common sense not to profit off other IP's unless you're specifically donating for keeping the server up. Even in the mod making community for other games whether its OG Doom, Half-Life or Skyrim ect, there's a common held tradition to always credit or obtain consent to utilize another modders assets whether its code or art if you plan to publish it on major sites, even if there is no financial incentive. And if by chance there is financial incentive like forming a team to build a game on an open sourced engine, you best make sure as shit that none of your co-developers are adding a sliver of code or any other form of asset that are copyrighted material (see: stolen) from another game, unless said assets are as well public domain (EQ1 is filled to the brim with public domain sound effects for example)

[shovelquest]

What if me running the servers requires a salary I give myself of 100$ an hour and I work 24 hours a day on this monitoring.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin. At this point I have no fucking clue what you're trying to figure out.

MY point is that NOST was highly against monetization and it was shut down.

You brought up Elysium.

Elysium was Nost's successor, used Nost's assets, was highly monetized, had theft within its own management, and it never got shut down.

Ok, now we've found our "tomato, tomato" problem:

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You originally said it was shut down, and it was ... but it was restarted a month after that "implosion", just under a new name. You call that a server that was "shut down" or "imploded", while I call it a server that temporarily went down, but then came back up and continued running for many years after.

Tomato, tomato.