Daybreak sues THJ

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Xathos53 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think the judge is going to overturn the injunction based on the new filings from the defendant's lawyers. It is quite obvious that the creators of THJ are now trying to kill off the entire EQ emu community. The problem for them is that DBJ isn't going after those servers. Why? Those servers have not monetized themselves to generate substantial income like THJ did.

The judge is not going to alter her ruling to kill off the emu community. That's not in the case's parameters. As for giving any more money to the THJ guys, that would be a case of watching a fool part with their money.

Mi CASA es su CASA

[Bisonzabi]

Damn imagine being the sucker who actually put money into something that was obviously incredibly dubious to begin with.

[Xathos53]

For starters, DBG only sued THJ. DBG stated their tolerance of the other EQ emus in court docs. They clearly see a difference and that difference is monetization. If DBG wants the others shut down, they need to file to do that.

THJ's defense seems to be that they are just a regular emulator, but DBG clearly established that is not the case.

If you look at the other EQ emu numbers, they're really not that big other than a few. Three of those servers have known agreements with DBG. While I am not 100% certain regarding boxing on the other servers, many do encourage boxing which skews the number counts. Were you to adjust them for actual individuals, the server populations would be much lower.

Please don't waste my time defending THJ. They broke the law and that's that.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn imagine being the sucker who actually put money into something that was obviously incredibly dubious to begin with.

I just sent them more. I got what I paid for.

You investing here bro?

[Knuckle]

I can't recall if THJ had any type of cash shop stuff but I believe they did outside of donations, or 'donations for gear' which has never worked if you catch their eye in court. Correct me if I am wrong but that is probably what brought the hammer down on them. I do feel bad for them though, because realistically DBG is not gaining anything from smashing them into smithereens, there is a very niche population that actually play EQ Live and they aren't going to sub or not sub to fucking EQ based on these custom private servers lol.

[shovelquest]

Really what made the lawsuit was videos with titles like: "Fangbraeker sucks THJ rules"

There were so many comments about not playing live ever again and stuff, it was a ticking time bomb from the get go.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really what made the lawsuit was videos with titles like: "Fangbraeker sucks THJ rules"

There were so many comments about not playing live ever again and stuff, it was a ticking time bomb from the get go.

Fuck who owns it; who loves it? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't recall if THJ had any type of cash shop

a cash shop they had, once you donated to the "pay the devs mortgage fund" you were given some Echo's of Memory in game as a "thank you" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only played for about a month but these are the things i recall you could buy with EoM's:

• a variety of 30 slot 100% weight reduction bags, these were no drop so if you had more than 1 toon you had to shell out more $$$.
• a slew of cosmetic items and skins that let you copy your favorite armor/weap set onto anything you were wearing.
• AA resets, class resets, name changes, gender swaps, etc.. a few of those could be done once for free but after that.. $$$
• global buffs that stacked in duration, giving everyone on the server permanent brain buffs, attack speed, exp gains, movement speed, etc..
• I could be wrong but i believe you could buy some fancy item to make items bound to you (via that power slot), unbound so you could then sell the juiced up versions.
• sell directly to other plays on the bazaar for some straight up $$$ > plat gains.

I'm sure there is a plethora of additional things you could do with those EoM's but I've forgotten em.

[WarpathEQ]

Haven't kept up with the thread but read an article this morning that THJ is officially shut down under judges orders. The article cited that THJ was making $100k per month on the project. Looking at reported revenues for daybreak games, THJ was stealing roughly 1% of daybreak's monthly revenue, which realistically should represent a much larger portion of their profitability given that classic EQ requires little to no maintenance/overhead. That is absolutely a material impact to the company and no surprise that THJ's action led to the lawsuit and ultimate defense of EQ IP.

So yeah, MASSIVE difference between THJ and a volunteer led, unpaid, emu representing the game as it stood in era. They don't care about a free to play community based world where people re-live nostalgia. They absolutely care about people stealing their IP, bastardizing it, and using it to drive substantial revenue away from their company. A company who paid tangible money for the rights to use this IP for profit with the expectation of yielding certain amounts of revenue to make the investment worthwhile (which btw could be the difference between EQ existing at all or not).

[shovelquest]

If Daybreak is making 10x that then Im going to jump off a cliff.