Moss covered Twig

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People can read the Kunark Strategy Guide

LOL. How about no.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who have done parses know you aren't always going to get the exact number of swings, damage value rolls, double attacks, etc. in two different parses.

There were many parses done back then. They all brought the same conclusion. Hence why raiders were upset about Twig/Whip. Hence why it was changed.

The code on p99 is not the same as it was back then. Your first parse with only 5% chance of min hit shows how different things are. Min hit chance was 15+% back then, on the weakest targets possible.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL. How about no.



There were many parses done back then. They all brought the same conclusion. Hence why raiders were upset about Twig/Whip. Hence why it was changed.

The code on p99 is not the same as it was back then. Your first parse with only 5% chance of min hit shows how different things are. Min hit chance was 15+% back then, on the weakest targets possible.

People can compare the graphs in the linked post below:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167

Clearly the P99/EQEMU damage formulas and the Sept 2000 Live damage formulas (from before the Twig nerf) are the same or very similar. The graphs show this. The graphs also show my DPS calculator is correct.

Unless you have some more data to share, you have been defeated. There is no reason to keep doubling down by simply claiming I am wrong without evidence.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly the P99/EQEMU damage formulas and the Sept 2000 Live damage formulas (from before the Twig nerf) are the same or very similar. The graphs show this.

No the graphs don't show that. Make of a graph of your first parse against the lower AC target, which is the actual relevant number.

Not to mention, the thousands of people who played back then are more relevant than your rambling.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No the graphs don't show that. Make of a graph of your first parse against the lower AC target, which is the actual relevant number.

Not to mention, the thousands of people who played back then are more relevant than your rambling.

No. I showed my DPS calculator data already here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167

You don't know the AC of the target(s) the Sept 2000 parse had. You cannot claim you do.

Everybody with eyes can compare the graphs and see you are wrong. If you have more evidence, please show it. Otherwise you have been defeated.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't know the AC of the target(s) the Sept 2000 parse had.

Again, there were TONS of parses done back then, on all kinds of trash MOBs. And tons of discussion across various forums, where people specifically tested different weapons. You wouldn't know since you weren't around.

Your data shows you are wrong. A mere 5% chance of min hit is not something that was happening back then. But keep spamming like you always do.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, there were TONS of parses done back then, on all kinds of trash MOBs. And tons of discussion across various forums, where people specifically tested different weapons. You wouldn't know since you weren't around.

Your data shows you are wrong. A mere 5% chance of min hit is not something that was happening back then. But keep spamming like you always do.

People can look at the two very similar graphs in this post and decide who is more credible:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167

I played from 1999-2005.

[CrazyPro]

I ran out of popcorn can we stop this discourse until I can go buy some more real quick?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ran out of popcorn can we stop this discourse until I can go buy some more real quick?

Can you PROVE that you're out of popcorn or are you just going to spam that you have a popcorn meter that uses an incorrect calculation to show us the volume that your popcorn bowl can hold?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People can look at the two very similar graphs

No what they can look at is this post, from before you artificially changed your numbers - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=144. Even in your fake parse where you tried to parse against a more difficult MOB, it's still a lower amount of min hits than what was happening back in 2000 on easier targets.

Another relevant thing is parses done with the 5/14 Revulant Whip pre-Kunark, which was already matching the DPS of the best two-handers in the game on game on its own. The twig and whip in Kunark exceeded that weapon and could be used by more classes, quickly leading to the outcry about how they were making every other weapon in the game obsolete.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No what they can look at is this post, from before you artificially changed your numbers - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=144. Even in your fake parse where you tried to parse against a more difficult MOB, it's still a lower amount of min hits than what was happening back in 2000 on easier targets.

Another relevant thing is parses done with the 5/14 Revulant Whip pre-Kunark, which was already matching the DPS of the best two-handers in the game on game on its own. The twig and whip in Kunark exceeded that weapon and could be used by more classes, quickly leading to the outcry about how they were making every other weapon in the game obsolete.

I didn't "artificially change my numbers" or do a "fake parse". You are just making things up. The first parse was a quick guess. A shot from the hip, and it still shows spikes at 8 damage, 21 damage, and 25 damage. That parse doesn't help you, it helps me.

My second parse, which was used in the graph, had a more accurate AC value.

My calculator is open source, and I told you what the values I used were. You can use my calculator and confirm it yourself. The link to my calculator is in my signature.

We can keep going back and forth. At the end of the day I have evidence, and you don't people can look at the graphs and decide for themselves.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167