Moss covered Twig

[Samoht]

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Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(weapdmg x2 +db)/dly

Using the correct formula for weapon DPS/hate, the Adamantite Club is not even half as good as the Mosscovered Twig. The super speed means applying damage bonus much more frequently. This is the same reason that makes Nevederia's Horn the best warrior offhand weapon for tanking right now. Why Vyemm's Fang might sometimes parse better than Mrylokar's Dagger of Vengeance, and why it will beat it if you're weapon swapping when you backstab.

Mace of the Shadowed Souls is almost as good, not because it's fast, but because it hits hard.

But AClub is monk only, and MOSS is SK only, so both examples were completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Also, both were considerably harder to obtain as level 50s in classic gear entering into Kunark, so the whole risk vs reward thing meant that MOSS was in a good spot while the twig was too available.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

inb4 we reach 100 pages

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using the correct formula for weapon DPS/hate, the Adamantite Club is not even half as good as the Mosscovered Twig.

Typoed the math on this (entered wrong ratio on AClub), and it is as good as twig, but still monk only.

Both Wavecrasher and Frostbringer are very close in hate per swing to the twig. The procs should push them over. I personally have a strong dislike for the Wavecrasher, though, because the premium cost. I understand that it's difficult to obtain, but the slow is not very good.

As a note, adding haste does not appear to change the ratings to make one weapon more viable than the other because the increase from haste is flat across all ratios. Hasted twig vs hasted frosty vs hasted wavecrasher are still in same order as long as the haste is the same.

[Snaggles]

Outside hate generation the Wavecrasher actually has a useful proc. Slow also negates NPC haste to my knowledge. It might be the best droppable knight tanking weapon too for anything you can slow which normally wouldn’t be.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Samoht didn't do the math right:

((3 × 2) + 11) / 10 = 1.54 - Twig

((15 x 2) + 11) / 25 = 1.64 - Addy Club

((19x 2) + 11) / 24 = 2.04 - Ebon Mace

3*2 is 6. Plus 11 is 17. 17 divided by 10 is 1.7

C'mon now. Not a good look to fuck up the math while saying someone else didn't do the math right.

[Samoht]

He deleted his post! So glad we have it quoted for posterity.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Samoht was talking about hate instead of damage

Excuse me for keeping the thread on topic instead of just spamming personal attacks like you do.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3*2 is 6. Plus 11 is 17. 17 divided by 10 is 1.7

C'mon now. Not a good look to fuck up the math while saying someone else didn't do the math right.

It was a copy/paste issue with the Addy Club line. It's faster to copy those lines and change the numbers instead of typing it out from scratch. I didn't update the result for that line. It was my bad for not double checking that before submitting.

Samoht was talking about hate instead of damage, so there was no reason to rehash what I said on page 1.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...75&postcount=7

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excuse me for keeping the thread on topic instead of just spamming personal attacks like you do.

People can still read the thread and see who does the personal attacks. It is you.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...8&postcount=79

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh, yay. another thread to take above 100!

Your DerPieSt calculator is not a valid source of evidence. It has been proven to contain many uncountable flaws. It was created by a non raider that's been proven time and again to lack basic knowledge of the game.

Please don't try to use this shit as evidence. It's drawn in crayon.

This was your second post in this thread, completely off topic. You can't hide the post history.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I switched to Addy Club for my example

Addy Club didn't do better DPS than Twig in 2000. You are wrong. Get that through your head. Parses have been posted. Twig and Whip were the best DPS in game at the time, and changed to offhand only as a result of raiders loudly complaining about the best weapons in game dropping on random low level MOBs. The EQ designer who put those items in game didn't realize how weapon damage actually worked, like many other people at the time.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was your second post in this thread, completely off topic.

The post you quoted seems to be 100% on topic to me. You made some asinine comments about the question and got ripped a part. You've been absolutely shredded in this thread to the point where you're arguing semantics about what is and isn't on topic. More straw man arguments. More moving goal posts.

Why are you still posting here? I have never seen anybody be so wrong and yet keep insisting than you here today.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Addy Club didn't do better DPS than Twig in 2000. You are wrong. Get that through your head. Parses have been posted. Twig and Whip were the best DPS in game at the time, and changed to offhand only as a result of raiders loudly complaining about the best weapons in game dropping on random low level MOBs. The EQ designer who put those items in game didn't realize how weapon damage actually worked, like many other people at the time.

It depends on the AC of the mob. I already told you Twig can out DPS Addy Club if the AC is high enough multiple times. There is also a bit of extra DPS from the proc.

We can use Ebon Mace instead if you don't like Addy Club.