Moss covered Twig

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want my thought on why it was removed, I actually think it was for technical reasons. Swinging every 0.5 seconds at 100% haste might have been too fast for 56k modems to handle consistently enough, especially if they knew overhaste was in the works already.

it was because monks were unbeatable in PvP with the mosscovered twig in primary.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you sure do like to finish em.. nothing wrong with just not responding

You didn't need to post this either!

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was because monks were unbeatable in PvP with the mosscovered twig in primary.

That could be. I don't know too much about the Twig lore.

DPS-wise Twig does a little less DPS than Epic Fist (9/16) when using it in the primary hand according to my calculator, so it wasn't exceptionally special DPS-wise. But as Gregorgasmic said, it would have pushed really well.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read it fucking wrecked casters in pvp, mainly because of pushing IIRC.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

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[Skarne]

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[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DPS-wise Twig does a little less DPS than Epic Fist (9/16) when using it in the primary hand according to my calculator, so it wasn't exceptionally special DPS-wise.

Epics didn't exist when Kunark was released and barely anyone had epics before 2001.

Mosscovered Twig was the top DPS weapon in the game, along with Barbed Scale Whip, and both hilariously dropped from low level MOBs in Frontier Mountains. So of course they were changed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Epics didn't exist when Kunark was released and barely anyone had epics before 2001.

Mosscovered Twig was the top DPS weapon in the game, along with Barbed Scale Whip, and both hilariously dropped from low level MOBs in Frontier Mountains. So of course they were changed.

I didn't say Epics were common back then. My point was simply that Twig doesn't always out DPS other 1h Kunark-Era weapons, so it wasn't over powered from a raw DPS perspective. Adamantite Club in main hand also out DPSes Twig in many scenarios. The scenario in which Twig can out DPS Epic Fist and Addy Club is against a high AC target. But Kunark raid mobs didn't really have the high AC that we see in Velious.

So a nerf would be due to something like technical limitations, pushing, or ease of acquiring the item. It certainly is easier to get than Epic or Adamantite Club.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point was simply that Twig doesn't always out DPS other 1h Kunark-Era weapons

Your "point" is wrong. Twig did out DPS every other 1H weapon in the game at the time, with the mechanics that were in the game at the time. Hence why people in top raid guilds at the time were complaining about it. They changed the damage formula at some point after Kunark release.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your "point" is wrong. Twig did out DPS every other 1H weapon in the game at the time, with the mechanics that were in the game at the time. Hence why people in top raid guilds at the time were complaining about it. They changed the damage formula at some point after Kunark release.

I am not sure why you keep doing this. The reality is this thread is talking about Mosscovered Twig on P99. My calculator shows that Twig does not out-DPS other 1h weapons on P99 like Epic Fist or Addy Club, unless you are fighting a high AC target. This is using it in your primary hand. Thus far you have no P99 parses to prove otherwise.

Is it possible Twig was the best 1h weapon on live when it came out? Maybe. I doubt you have solid enough evidence for this claim either way. The data from back then is not very reliable, and it isn't really relevant to OP's question on P99.

If you can find some patch notes or a dev talkimg about it, that would be great! Learning EQ history is always fun.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without evidence it is your word vs. my calculator. Remember that most people didn't have higher end kunark weapons, so the data could easily be skewed towards the more common weapon set. You'd have more Twig parses than Addy Club parses. That doesn't mean Addy Club actually did less DPS than Twig, even during the supposed timeframe you are discussing. Often times player reports weren't that accurate. People also tried to keep secrets, so it is possible they didn't want people to know how good other weapons were.

Also remember that the developers knew about weapons that hadn't come out yet. Weapon balance was in the works for weapons like Epic Fist before the weapons came out to the public. They probably had statistics spreadsheets for the amount of DPS different weapons did.

*Low-Delay Weapons and Damage Bonus Changes*

In accordance with our announcement several weeks ago, two low-delay weapons can now only be equipped in the off-hand. Included in this change are the Mosscovered Twig and the Barbed Scale Whip. The delay on these weapons and the associated damage bonus to weapons in the primary hand made these weapons much too powerful for their availability and the risk associated with their acquisition.

from https://archives.jeuxonline.info/fils/17142.html