Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[shovelquest]

Bugs are features in classic eq!

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol i went on vacation a week and a half ago

come back, 115 pages, almost 400 replies from DSM

sounds about right

Here’s a concise summary of the discussion in that thread:

�� Core Topic: Solo kill of the Myconid Spore King by a Monk ("OP")
The original poster videoed killing Fungi King solo on a monk with no consumables, earning a [S] solo rating, though there's dispute over whether that qualifies as S+ given a wiki update post-OP.

Debate 1: "Pocket cleric"/buff controversy
Multiple users argue whether it's acceptable to use outside buffs (e.g., pocket clerics) in solo challenges.

bcbrown and others express confusion about "pocket healer" usage and note the topic erupts later in the thread


Some (like Zuranthium and Stryker85) contend that allowing buffs makes melee bosses actually beatable, since pure buffs/no consumable kills for melee are “literally impossible”

Stryker85 challenged claims that many support buff restrictions, noting only “one single other person” held that view


Debate 2: Math and parsing integrity (DSM vs critics)
A user attacked DSM (DeathsSilkyMist), accusing him of ignoring math flaws and being overly argumentative .

DSM countered, identifying a regen oversight in OP's fight calculations (HP tick sources: fungi, ring, Iksar regen), which affected total heal amount.

Critics accused DSM of trolling and derailing; DSM responded that his suspension (on the official wiki) was deserved .

Overall tone
The thread regularly devolves into personal jabs, with heavy trolling, derailing, and distrust:

Calls like “Typical DSM behavior” and accusations of “constantly patrolling RnF and filling it with spam” .

Despite these distractions, others attempted to get back on topic about ranking the kill (S vs S+), regen math accuracy, and the legitimacy of outside buffs.

�� Takeaways
Solo monk kill is impressive, but its classification ([S] vs [S+]) is under debate due to rule changes.

There's a heated divide: whether solo challenges should allow any external buffs, with no strong consensus—only a few vocal proponents on each side.

The thread has been heavily sidetracked by community drama, especially surrounding DSM and criticisms of his debate style and calculations.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a heated divide: whether solo challenges should allow any external buffs, with no strong consensus—only a few vocal proponents on each side.

Nobody is arguing if outside buffs should be "allowed" in solo challenge. It's allowed, it's just a different tier, and there is absolutely strong consensus that it should be a different tier.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That AI summary got everything wrong lol. It didn't even know that Stryker85 and Zuranthium were not in agreement about buffs.

Some (like Zuranthium and Stryker85) contend that allowing buffs makes melee bosses actually beatable, since pure buffs/no consumable kills for melee are “literally impossible”

Such a bad troll.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is absolutely strong consensus that it should be a different tier.

To the contrary, I'm not sure there's even a consensus that there should be tiers.

[shovelquest]

Tiers excited mainly because puppet strings were rampant back then and everyone who had them was the cock of the walk on the boards and in game and so there was debate if a priest using puppet strings was unfair compared to an enchanter becauase alose the puppet strings were like 300k to use reliably for a recharge and a pair of use ones. which at the time was very difficult to obtain, like it was not as easy to make big plat back then in 2012 2014 days, by 2015 everyone and their mother was a sploiting enchanter solo camper (much thanks to the WIKI for that teaching everyone how.... loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) but also due to tecmos doing so many tutorial videos but that's another story.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tiers excited mainly because puppet strings were rampant back then and everyone who had them was the cock of the walk on the boards and in game and so there was debate if a priest using puppet strings was unfair compared to an enchanter becauase alose the puppet strings were like 300k to use reliably for a recharge and a pair of use ones. which at the time was very difficult to obtain, like it was not as easy to make big plat back then in 2012 2014 days, by 2015 everyone and their mother was a sploiting enchanter solo camper (much thanks to the WIKI for that teaching everyone how.... loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) but also due to tecmos doing so many tutorial videos but that's another story.

Tiers make sense as a way of describing a solo. I truly believe no one wants to write "I soloed a Foo with an X, a Y, a Z, five clicks of bar, six clicks of baz, 17.5 Wort potions, and oh here's my list of every buff I had ..."

But the problem with having tiers is that they turn into (essentially) a point system, where you "lose points" by having qualifiers on your solo ... and no one can agree how many "points" you should lose for each thing.

That's why, personally, I'm not sure it even makes sense to have tiers, especially on a "global" solo challenge. If each class had its own challenge, it might be possible to get everyone who plays that class to agree on how much each variable contributes ... but it just seems impossible to do for every class, in a way everyone agrees on.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure there's even a consensus that there should be tiers.

Of course there is.

Consensus does not mean 100% agreement or even 80% agreement. No law in the world would ever get passed (aside from in dictatorships) if that was the case. Most things get passed by barely having a majority, and 2/3'rds majority is universally recognized as consensus.

[Reiwa]

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[Skarne]

The consensus is that this thread is a dumpster fire.

Grats Sscalez!