Not a whine but can we please fix melee?

[Villert]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't sound right. I recall playing with a monk in 99, and he was nothing special. However, you might be partially right. Most of a monk's ac is avoidance-oriented due to his dodge and defensive skill. The ac he gets from leather armour is not much compared to what a warrior gets. Put another way, when compared to a warrior, monks may as well be naked.

As far as avoidance goes, dodge and block aren't working properly at the moment - or more likely, mob hit rates being 90%+ don't allow them to work properly. AC added from leather might be less, but monks also get a bonus to their AC because of class.

That all goes without saying the biggest point; this isn't JUST a MONK problem, it's a MELEE problem - all melees are hurting from this, warriors included.

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying that melees soloed back then is just a joke bro. Melees had trouble soloing just a couple years ago. They might be able to kill a mob, like someone else here has said, but then they'd have to rest to full health which makes it wasted effort. And even then, I'm not entirely sure I buy that. Without my merc on the live servers, dark blues would kill me routinely - and that's a ranger.

Monks, when played right, were extremely effective soloers. Combining FD, bandaging, ID and a little intelligence went a far way. I personally soloed easily til 40+ in classic as a monk, just because you couldn't, doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

The fact that you even mentioned live servers and mercs is bad enough. The fact that you can't solo WITH a merc and the mudflated equipment I'm sure you had at that point, pretty much explains your skill in this game. I won't even make a joke about the ranger part...

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want to put a melee in a good circumstance? Find a real group! Get a cleric or druid for heals & buffs, get a chanter or shaman for slows & haste, get some other dps to back you up, and also enjoy the benefits of group exp distribution. There'll be a BIG difference between solo and group play at that point. Back then people tended to depend on others more, and in a group this effect was made apparent. Add all this together and it cut a big valley between soloers and groupers that has filled some with grief and others with fond remembrance.

This really makes no sense. We're not talking about grouping here. If we were, I'd tell you that it's tough for melees to get a group in the first place, because everyone would rather have mages or enchanters in their group. This has nothing to do with anything, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just get a funny feeling that this is the start of the soloers vs groupers thread. In all reality, play a solo class until we have more population to support groups. Until then, you're just making it more painful. You're filling yourself with frustration too. Make a mage, make a ranger, make a druid, make a sk, make a necromancer, make a bard, what others are there? Level them up to 50 and get some good twink gear. Then make a warrior/rogue/monk/etc. And by then maybe there'll be more people too.

Soloers vs. groupers? What?

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To sum up my feelings about all this: a few of you sound like complainers. You might be right, but you sound suspiciously like someone who doesn't remember how hard it was to solo in 1999. Some of you sound reasonable. I think defense could be tweaked, but i'm not sure I accept that it's fundamentally flawed. If that's true, whoever has made the code did not do their homework. Until i can try the server myself (still waiting on it), I can't make a good judgement on this yet. Until then, i'll give the complainers the benefit of doubt.

Afterall, the server has been up for a month and beta was nearly empty. This could very well be a bug/flaw.

... Why are you even commenting? I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but, not only have you not played melee yet on this server, you haven't even played on this server at all...

And yes, this is a bug/flaw, that's the whole point of threads like this...