Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

Zuranthium · #1 07-12-2025, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can show me LEGITIMATE posts from "a bunch" of people saying that they think outside buffs shouldn't be allowed for melee as the highest tier, then I will stop arguing completely and admit defeat

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Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For melee classes, the most difficult circumstances that they can actually kill a god tier mob under, is buffed with no consumables. There is a reason why NO MELEE has EVER completed a god mode kill without buffs and no consumables, because its literally impossible.

You don't know what every player has ever done, and the math already checks out on several recorded kills that have been done. You've also continued to refuse to do the math on what an actual BIS Monk can do while utilizing all their procs.

Here a Monk kills Phinny with just 3 clicks of wort (only needed 2 clicks), while having non-ideal equipment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUhF2ki7x_M. He didn't even need to be completely BIS with Shroud of Longevity to be able to do that kill without the couple wort pot clicks. If he was using an Abashi and fist swapping, he would've done the necessary DPS to win completely solo.

That's exactly why a tier for no outside buffs/consumables is needed. People need to have a reason to push and see what is possible totally solo. There needs to be a metric of what is possible while using sustainable methods: a tier that describes the gameplay options for a player who wants to log on and do something with only their character and the permanent equipment it has. If a class can't do something without outside buffs/consumables (and most classes can't for the hardest stuff), then oh well. That's simply the reality of the capabilities for that class.

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Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would lull coding have anything to do with monks?

Monks are advantaged for pulling. There's going to be a LOT of stuff that becomes far harder for lull classes as compared to the way it is now.

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Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think only casters should be able to achieve an S+ Rank, then why even include melee in the competition at all?

The challenge is NOT measuring player skill based upon their ability with a certain class vs another player's ability with a different class!! The point of the challenges is to see what can done at each Tier, regardless of the class. For a lot of stuff that simply means Enchanter or Shaman if wanting to try S+ God Mode. That's just how the game is, those are the classes who have the tools to do difficult solo encounters.

The problem you're having is that your ego can't handle not being placed into what is labelled as the "top tier" when looking at the maximum possibility regardless of class. You're mad as hell about being 160 pounds and needing to fight in the "lower" bracket, instead of being 180 pounds and being allowed to fight in that bracket. Why? That's just the realities of each different body type; both weight classes are appreciable.

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Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that there should be a place to recognize a no consumable kill

Then you should agree that no outside help needs to be recognized. There's no difference in combat capability between using a consumable or getting an outside buff of the same power level. It's the exact same level of assistance in combat. To try and act like no consumables is better than no outside buffs is totally irrational. The only reason you're acting this way is because you happen to have alts sitting around to buff you. You have no concern for what is actually the most objective thing and what would benefit the community most: a tier system that accurately describes the different solo/duo modes possible.

DeathsSilkyMist · #2 07-12-2025, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a lot more nuance than a hardline stance against outside buffs at the highest tier in these posts and within context of this thread. The posters can correct me of course if I misunderstood.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=710

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Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I'm concerned it isn't a lesser kill because it was buffed

Gregorgasmic says it isn't a lesser kill with buffs, so it doesn't sound like he wants to lower OP's rank.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=703

Crede can contradict himself. His opinion is that cleric bots cannot be used in a group of four, while he simultaneously has had a cleric bot since 2014, and tells people to use them. I don't know if he is saying this just to be contradoctory. But fair if true.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=454

Shovelquest has also been against you and Samoht in this thread for trying to troll OP and lower his rank.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=707

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Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether it's more challenging to have no outside buffs or no consumables may depend on the class or the fight and the class.

Bcbrown is saying there is nuance on outside buffs depending on the class and fight.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...8&postcount=19

Fair.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=11

Fair.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=18

Fair.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...7&postcount=38

This post is more concerned with strong clickies like puppet strings, and exploits.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...2&postcount=43

This post is also more about strong clickies. We don't know if he agrees with your idea that outside buffs are considered "assisted". We don't know what he means by "true solo" either.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...2&postcount=44

This post is saying you should disclose what you used in the fight, and OP did that. It doesn't specify that outside buffs cannot be considered for the highest tier.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...1&postcount=64

This post is a wash. The poster may agree with you, but the poster quotes kjs86z, who is praising Kelz's kill with consumables and buffs. Kjs86z seems to think it is the highest form of solo kill.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=72

Fair.

Out of those links, you found 4 or 5 posters (if you count Crede) who might agree with your hardline stance of no outside buffs for the highest tier. 6 when you include Samoht.

In this thread Myself, OP, Skarne, Confit, Novamix, rhold, summers_light, Snaggles, Tewaz, and kebpts have either disagreed with you/Samoht, or simply praised OP's kill.

So it's 7 people who agree/may agree with you (including yourself) vs. 10 people (including myself) who don't agree/may not agree so far. Remember some of those 6 other posters who agree/may agree aren't in this thread. We don't know if they would say something different based on this thread.

Nickelback8469 · #3 07-12-2025, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The challenge is NOT measuring player skill based upon their ability with a certain class vs another player's ability with a different class!! The point of the challenges is to see what can done at each Tier, regardless of the class. For a lot of stuff that simply means Enchanter or Shaman if wanting to try S+ God Mode. That's just how the game is, those are the classes who have the tools to do difficult solo encounters.

I agree, it may be much more difficult or even impossible for some classes to solo the hardest of mobs, but that goalpost will hopefully push some people to experiment with what's possible and push for what was previously thought unachievable. It's still a great achievement for classes to solo most of these mobs even with outside help in the form of buffs, clickies, or splitting, but the tiers should reflect the amount of aid given in the form of buffs or clickies