Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already proved your "impersonation" narrative false. Loramin created a page for me for my DPS calculator without my permission. Nobody claimed Loramin impersonated me, including myself. Lying just makes you look bad, and shows you don't understand how impersonation works.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=935

Under your logic Loramin needs to suspend himself.

The proof is in the thread and the wiki page history you edited the wiki first. You trolled the wiki, and the community needs to fix it.

Loramin spent a lot of his personal time converting your calculator's original code into wiki-functional code so that the commnuity could benefit from your work ... work which you clearly seemed to want to share with the community, as you posted the code publicly in the forum. That was nothing like this.

This is why I keep repeating that same word, "disengenuous", every time I describe you Death Silky Mist. As a human being, you 100% understand that me putting your calculator on the wiki is NOT the same thing as you trolling Zura by creating a page against his wishes ... but that doesn't stop you from lying and pretending you don't.

I honestly now think you are the most dishonest person in this entire forum ... and that is truly saying something.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin spent a lot of his personal time converting your calculator's original code into wiki-functional code so that the commnuity could benefit from your work ... work which you clearly seemed to want to share with the community, as you posted the code publicly in the forum. That was nothing like this.

This is why I keep repeating that same word, "disengenuous", every time I describe you Death Silky Mist. As a human being, you 100% understand that me putting your calculator on the wiki is NOT the same thing as you trolling Zura by creating a page against his wishes ... but that doesn't stop you from lying and pretending you don't.

I honestly now think you are the most dishonest person in this entire forum ... and that is truly saying something.

You released a broken page without testing it, and the page wasn't even fixable by me. I didn't ask you to make a wiki page for me, much less a broken one. Spending time on something is irrelevant if it is bad.

You never updated the wiki with my 2.0 changes either. This hurt the community, because people were using an old calculator that had your bugs in it and didn't know it.

I didn't make the forked page to troll anyone. You have no evidence of this. I forked the page so he could edit it without modifying the main page while there was a disagreement. It was just a copy of the page with his words verbatim.

You just lie and troll and abuse your power. Please stop.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You released a broken page without testing it, and the page wasn't even fixable by me. I didn't ask you to make a wiki page for me, much less a broken one. Spending time on something is irrelevant if it is bad.

You never updated the wiki with my 2.0 changes either. This hurt the community, because people were using an old calculator that had your bugs in it and didn't know it.

I didn't make the forked page to troll anyone. You have no evidence of this. I forked the page so he could edit it without modifying the main page while there was a disagreement. It was just a copy of the page with his words verbatim.

You just lie and troll and abuse your power. Please stop.

Nobody in the community was hurt by the DPS calculator on the wiki that nobody was aware of and nobody used. This is just some princess level drama here. I think we can safely add narcissist to the list of conditions that DSM has displayed on the forums.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody in the community was hurt by the DPS calculator on the wiki that nobody was aware of and nobody used. This is just some princess level drama here. I think we can safely add narcissist to the list of conditions that DSM has displayed on the forums.

Bcbrown used the wiki page at the very least, and he ran into Loramin's bugs. He posted about it lol. Lying just makes you looo bad.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bcbrown used the wiki page at the very least, and he ran into Loramin's bugs. He posted about it lol. Lying just makes you looo bad.

Don't drag me into your nonsensical argument. I was dubious about the entire project for three reasons:
1) It's incredibly hard to reverse-engineer and re-implement a complex system and there will almost certainly be significant bugs/differences with the reference system
2) Even if it was accurate, one of the important inputs (mob AC) is an unknown, limiting the usefullness
3) Even without the prior two issues but especially with them, it's just not that useful, not being as simple as the rule-of-thumb (2*dmg + bonus)/delay formula, and without the real-world accuracy of simply parsing against the sort of mob you want to fight.

Even with those doubts, I gave it a shot, found some discrepancies against some parses, posted the inputs I used, and then you yelled at me for not knowing the mob AC values in the wiki are inaccurate. I then lost all interest in the project. Later on it turns out my first reason for being dubious turned out to be accurate, as you had a seriously incorrect assumption about the mechanics of dual wield. That may have been fixed now, but I'm sure there's other similar bugs hiding in it.

If you want the damn thing to be usable you're gonna have to debug the wiki version yourself (which you can easily do with in-browser developer tools for local editing).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't drag me into your nonsensical argument. I was dubious about the entire project for three reasons:
1) It's incredibly hard to reverse-engineer and re-implement a complex system and there will almost certainly be significant bugs/differences with the reference system
2) Even if it was accurate, one of the important inputs (mob AC) is an unknown, limiting the usefullness
3) Even without the prior two issues but especially with them, it's just not that useful, not being as simple as the rule-of-thumb (2*dmg + bonus)/delay formula, and without the real-world accuracy of simply parsing against the sort of mob you want to fight.

Even with those doubts, I gave it a shot, found some discrepancies against some parses, posted the inputs I used, and then you yelled at me for not knowing the mob AC values in the wiki are inaccurate. I then lost all interest in the project. Later on it turns out my first reason for being dubious turned out to be accurate, as you had a seriously incorrect assumption about the mechanics of dual wield. That may have been fixed now, but I'm sure there's other similar bugs hiding in it.

If you want the damn thing to be usable you're gonna have to debug the wiki version yourself (which you can easily do with in-browser developer tools for local editing).

I couldn't edit the calculator code, that was admin only. You did run into one of Loramin's bugs, that is a fact.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...1&postcount=16

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It'd be good to add a parameter for number of rounds for people who want to use large sample sizes but that's really a minor complaint compared to the fact that the calculator is not accurate.

Leaving the weapons as-is and setting the mob AC to 80 doesn't result in the 50ish DPS that you've reported vs the turtle. Setting the mob AC to 850-1200 like raid mobs have doesn't change the DPS value by much vs the default.

What validations have you done before making the claim that this calculator is accurate?

Bcbrown has a bad understanding of my calculator in part due to Loramins bad implementation.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldn't edit the calculator code, that was admin only. You did run into one of Loramin's bugs, that is a fact.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...1&postcount=16

Your entire argument is so silly I'm not going to engage with it, but I do highly recommend you send a PM to Rogean or Menden or someone, because no matter the outcome I'm sure it will be very entertaining.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the DSM DPS calculator is still inherently invalid because he does not know how to calculate AC?

It might be pretty accurate if you already know the mob AC, but it's hard to know because mob AC isn't publicly posted and I guess the wiki values are from a different era. You can probably hand-tune the mob AC to match a parse, but that doesn't really tell you anything. You can't use a formula with unknown inputs (mob AC) to predict an output (DPS), even if you have the right formula.

But DSM is super defensive about the whole thing, so I'm not interested in spending any time on it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody in the community was hurt by the DPS calculator on the wiki that nobody was aware of and nobody used. This is just some princess level drama here. I think we can safely add narcissist to the list of conditions that DSM has displayed on the forums.

To be fair, no one was hurt by the solo artist page either. Everyone here is so passionate about what's on that page, but literally no one except this thread (and maybe one random weirdo) even reads it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be clear, no one was hurt by the solo artist page either. Literally no one but this thread (and maybe one random weirdo) even reads that page.

Nobody was hurt by my forked page either lol. You can't make this claim and then say Zur was hurt by a forked page with his changes verbatim. I didn't change his words.

The only person hurt was me becuase you released a broken version of my calculator, and users factually ran into your bugs.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You released a broken page without testing it, and the page wasn't even fixable by me. I didn't ask you to make a wiki page for me, much less a broken one. Spending time on something is irrelevant if it is bad.

You never updated the wiki with my 2.0 changes either. This hurt the community, because people were using an old calculator that had your bugs in it and didn't know it.

I didn't make the forked page to troll anyone. You have no evidence of this. I forked the page so he could edit it without modifying the main page while there was a disagreement. It was just a copy of the page with his words verbatim.

You just lie and troll and abuse your power. Please stop.

Because you wrote your code like a ten-year old, with a bajillion console.logs instead of propert return statements.

I tried to convert your new version ... I literally spent hours doing so! But at the end of the day I simply didn't have the time to convert eight trillion console.logs into functional return statements ... so I told you as much, and asked if you wanted to do it yourself ... you disengenuous prick.

And at any point throughout this, if you wanted that page gone all you'd have to do is say so, or simply delete the page's content. Don't try to pretend I somehow forced it on you.