Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody agrees with you. The page is now more informative, more representative, more professional, less vague, and doesn't contradict itself. If you again try to vandalize the wiki against what the community has shown they want, you will be punished.

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, many people correctly pointed out that receiving outside buffs is not a 100% solo.

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding if this was the first time a Monk has killed spore king in these conditions, it isn't. Maybe the first public video though? So that's good to have.

Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW, if people want to kill the spore king without consumables and only utilizing their own characters, there are easier and "more solo" ways to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mz15db1Pjg. Stryker's kill requires another player to log on his other characters and buff him, but here is a way to do it just by yourself.

The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

[shovelquest]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.


By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.


I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.


Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.


The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

Very well said. His link to that Druid/Enchanter video didn't make any sense to me either. I have no idea what point he was trying to make with that.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place.

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection. You continue to incorrectly think anyone here is "diminishing" the kill. The only thing that diminished what you were trying to do is the old wiki page, as there was no tier difference between using consumables or not. According to what you're trying to say, if you continue to think that way, then your own video is not a relevant achievement.

It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.

It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

Not changing the wiki is what would result in the legacies of many players being ruined, as their accomplishments would not be recognized. The achievements of people who submitted under the outdated, contradictory tier split is preserved regardless and not going anywhere. There weren't many who bothered submitting in the first place, and there were ZERO melee players who submitted themselves for the top ranks of the challenge.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.

It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

Monks are NOT at a severe disadvantage compared to all casters. Clerics and Wizards can't solo shit without using the restricted clickies, Mages are very restricted in what they can pull (and with chain pet aggro being broken for the past years on p99, they are extremely restricted), Druids are inferior anywhere they can't charm.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally never said any of that.

You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before.

Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill

You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection.

Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill rather than trying to dispute that it was solo.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

If I missed this earlier in the thread, its because I tuned out while y'all were pointing the finger back and forth at who attacked who first for 20+ pages. Please do enlighten me on how you expect ANY CLASS (much less a melee class for that matter), to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges. It simply cannot be done, period.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

This might be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in this whole thread. It is 100% your own rules as you are the one that changed the wiki according to your own standards. The reason why your standards are unreasonable is because it makes the assumption that it is possible under higher standards (without buffs), when it most certainly is not. If you want to add another tier that is without consumables - fine. No one is arguing against that, but changing the wiki from the previous rule set which allowed melee to compete for the most difficult kills because you think "its literally how the game is played" is fucking ridiculous. Are you honestly trying to sit here and tell us that no body plays the game with outside buffs? Any time ANYONE goes to try to solo a camp, they're going to try to get outside buffs to make things safer, more efficient, or even possible at all. That is just common sense. The fact that you are trying to argue otherwise just proves how disingenuous your argument is in the first place.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

See this is you trying to force your opinion on the matter again. You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely. I think that there's a lot of other factors that make kills like this very relevant, especially under conditions that are extremely difficult (no worts, reaper, puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc) and has never been done before. Having outside buffs does not make this kill less relevant, it would only do so if it were possible to do with just self buffs, which it's not.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

Here you go being a straight up disingenuous liar again. You act like we can't just read back through the thread and quote your words verbatim. You said:
The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

That is not even remotely close to what I actually said, which was:
Yall need to let it go. It's really not that important. I appreciate you coming to my defense DeathsSilkyMist, but I'm really not worried about these idiots at all, and you shouldn't be either.
Way to lie and try to twist things to suit your own narrative again though. We can all see the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

Again here you go making up ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years. How about a name? How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.

You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER. Their buffs make MY CHARACTER stronger, but guess what - its still just MY CHARACTER on the encounter log. I was the only person being attacked, taking damage, dealing damage, pulling, etc. You trying to argue against this just proves how envious and petty you are. I'm convinced it has to be that, because no one can be this stupid. Trying to act like people don't play this game with outside buffs is completely and utterly ridiculous, especially when the kill in question wouldn't even be remotely possible otherwise.

[shovelquest]

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[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill

Shovelquest and Cd both did in this thread alone. People praising the kill doesn't mean they agree with flawed rulesets or think it wouldn't be more impressive to do without outside buffs.

You've created a false equivalency in your head and are failing to have any degree of objectivity or critical analysis. Right now you think anyone who doesn't treat you like a god walking on water is out to get you and must be jealous. Fix that ridiculous mindset.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please do enlighten me on how you expect a MONK to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges.

You need to have the self-heal breastplate first of all, which you don't (look at how long it took you to regen), and probably some other better gear. And an instant snare proc would help a lot. Look at how much damage you took at the start. With luck that part of the fight will happen faster/instantly and save a ton of HP.

This all can be calculated beforehand, for any fight. Go parse the average DPS you can do to spore king against the average DPS it does to you, and the maximum amount of regen time you can have before respawn happens.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is 100% your own rules

No it isn't. It's the exact different ways people have completed challenges.

Why are you trying to deny the accomplishments of other people?

If the challenge page already had better tiers from the start you never would be saying any of this in the first place, it's so obvious. You're simply trying to parrot something that was written down on paper, by a single person, as if it's the infallible word of god. It's not, and many people over a decade ago were already saying the rules needed to be formulated better.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely.

I never said that's the only relevant thing, you again fail to comprehend. And you continue to ignore the fact that classes have different levels of solo capability. The solo artist challenge was NEVER remotely fair between different classes, and your statement that Monks are more disadvantaged than other casters on average is wrong.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not what I actually said

You asked them to stop posting. I'm not going to debate your useless semantics, you have no real point to make.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years.

And? You don't know most players, much less what has happened at a singular spawn over the course of many years on a server you don't even play on. I was there myself to do the buffs on the alt account and they were the only other person in zone. That is the norm of farming on Red and account sharing was especially prevalent because we generally only put 1 character per account, thanks to the very short rez timers for pvp deaths that count down if you're still on the same account.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?

Where is the evidence of others who listed themselves long ago and didn't give any, that you pretend to care about and don't question at all? The whole challenge page says it's self-reported and no video/pic needed. Tons of players have done many different kills over the years and never posted about it anywhere, because they don't care and are just playing the game. And seeing as it was nothing special, ofc I wouldn't take a screenshot.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER.

That. Doesn't. Matter. IT IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER. The buffs exactly do assist with the kill, that's why you're getting them, because you need them. LMAO.

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

You said at the start of the thread the whole reason for this was because you wanted to create a sustainable way to kill spore king. If that's your goal, then there are much easier ways to do it. You could pull with a snare class, log over to a shaman and slow the spore king, and then log on the Monk to DPS it down.

And like I already said, it doesn't affect the tier of the challenge page. I am talking about objectively playing the game and what is most efficient for being able to kill something, and what can factually be done with ONE player, rather than needing to depend on someone else logging on to help.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

Outside an enchanter, who is doing this without outside buffs and with less clickies than a BiS Abashi monk?

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now you think anyone who doesn't treat you like a god walking on water is out to get you and must be jealous. Fix that ridiculous mindset.

Not at all, just calling you out on your bullshit.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to have the self-heal breastplate first of all, which you don't (look at how long it took you to regen), and probably some other better gear. And an instant snare proc would help a lot. Look at how much damage you took at the start. With luck that part of the fight will happen faster/instantly and save a ton of HP.

This all can be calculated beforehand, for any fight. Go parse the average DPS you can do to spore king against the average DPS it does to you, and the maximum amount of regen time you can have before respawn happens.

First of all, I am completely BiS in almost every slot except neck. And I actually do have the Kael Velious BP, I went back a few days later and tried again to see how much time it downtime it would save me, and the answer is about 3 minutes per cycle. You trying to use this to support your argument just demonstrates how COMPLETELY CLUELESS you are when it comes to knowing what it takes to solo that camp. Me taking damage on the pull and waiting for ensnare to land is totally irrelevant because I regened to full and engaged from 100% afterwards. Are you that stupid?

Velious BP has ZERO affect on one's ability to solo the king, all it does is give you more time for the pull and kill before frogs respawn. But time is not the limiting factor that prevents this from being done without outside buffs, its damage the king does. You cannot survive going toe to toe with the king even starting the fight at 100% health without Aegolism and haste at the very least. It MIGHT be possible without sham buffs, since Dain Hammer and Monk Leg clickies can replace a lot of that HP, and Avatar can replace the stats, but it's definitely not possible without Aego and haste.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the challenge page already had better tiers from the start you never would be saying any of this in the first place, it's so obvious. You're simply trying to parrot something that was written down on paper, by a single person, as if it's the infallible word of god. It's not, and many people over a decade ago were already saying the rules needed to be formulated better.

Again this is you forcing your opinion on others. Don't try to tell me what I would say or think in hypothetical situations. The fact is the rules for the challenge were already pre-defined and followed for years. Who are you to say your version is better? Your arguments for changing things have been baseless and completely false thus far.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You asked them to stop posting. I'm not going to debate your useless semantics, you have no real point to make.

No, you're not going to debate it because you literally can't. We can all read the words you typed, dumbass.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And? You don't know most players, much less what has happened at a singular spawn over the course of many years on a server you don't even play on. I was there myself to do the buffs on the alt account and they were the only other person in zone. That is the norm of farming on Red and account sharing was especially prevalent because we generally only put 1 character per account, thanks to the very short rez timers for pvp deaths that count down if you're still on the same account.

Where is the evidence of others who listed themselves long ago and didn't give any, that you pretend to care about and don't question at all? The whole challenge page says it's self-reported and no video/pic needed. Tons of players have done many different kills over the years and never posted about it anywhere, because they don't care and are just playing the game. And seeing as it was nothing special, ofc I wouldn't take a screenshot.

3 posts now and we're all still waiting to hear a name for this fabled person who solo'd the spore king on red without clickies. How convenient that you have absolutely zero proof of literally any of the bullshit you claim. No one is asking for proof of the other kills because no one else has made outlandish claims.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That. Doesn't. Matter. IT IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER. The buffs exactly do assist with the kill, that's why you're getting them, because you need them. LMAO.

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

No one is denying the achievements of others here except for you and Samoht. Being the only person on the encounter log makes ALL the difference in the world. Do you think a GM is going to tell me I have to roll for the loot because others buffed me? No - because I killed the mob SOLO. Even to GM's and play nice rules it fits into the definition of a solo kill.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said at the start of the thread the whole reason for this was because you wanted to create a sustainable way to kill spore king. If that's your goal, then there are much easier ways to do it. You could pull with a snare class, log over to a shaman and slow the spore king, and then log on the Monk to DPS it down.

And like I already said, it doesn't affect the tier of the challenge page. I am talking about objectively playing the game and what is most efficient for being able to kill something, and what can factually be done with ONE player, rather than needing to depend on someone else logging on to help.

If that's the case and it would be so easy, why don't you go and show us how it's done then? I'm dying to see your attempts. Oh wait... you won't because you can't, and that's why you're here trying to shit on my attempts. You keep mentioning this line about "objectively playing the game", but you don't realize that point just invalidates your own argument. People play this game with more than just self buffs, ESPECIALLY when they're soloing. Outside buffs make things more efficient, and often makes things possible that otherwise would not be, like soloing the spore king.

It's become quite clear by your bold faced lies and backwards ass logic you are not arguing in good faith. This is just your pathetic and insecure ass trying to lift yourself up by bringing others down. I'm done engaging with you. Everyone here sees through your petty bullshit. I'll be changing the wiki back every chance I get. Get fucked.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all, just calling you out on your bullshit.

You've been doing a great job. Zuranthium is really discrediting himself here.

I still can't believe he misquoted you and then tried to argue his misquote was correct lol.