Daybreak sues THJ

[Bisonzabi]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never understood why THJ was so popular. Tried it when it launched, and while the triple-class gimmick was briefly entertaining, the novelty wore off within a week. Then it was just a laughably trivial server where you could solo raids and get BIS gear with ridiculous ease, and no social aspect because everything was designed around soloing.

For that server to have become so absurdly popular says a lot about the gaming mentality of large portions of the EQ community. The triple-class concept was undermined by the fact that THJ didn't have even the slightest pretense of balance, so while the idea was interesting on paper, the result was effectively the same as using cheat codes in a single-player game.

Anyone who feels like THJ is the ideal way to play EQ should admit that they're a shitty player who can't succeed in the real version of the game.

Nice gatekeeping holier than thou post. You may not like TLJ, but the reality is that it was a fresh breath of air in the formula for the game and even got some younger newcomers that never once played any other EQ game before to try it out. And that's something this franchise is in dire need of, which is cross generational appeal for those in their teens and 20's. Because you can't rely on a majority 40-60+ year old fandom that is slowly dwindling down year by year to maintain any sort of revitalized relevance.
That said, it's a shame TLJ mods blew it by asking for ingame perk purchases (conspiracies aside). Hoping this doesn't have repercussions on the already paper thin tolerance of the emu community.

[shovelquest]

If we could somehow point the stop killing games people towards the stop killing mods direction.

[Cliveislive]

see above

[Irespectwomen]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on what Daybreak asks for in the case. For the "donations" that THJ received, as you say those are pretty easy to do an accounting for and prove as transactions not donations, and Daybreak could try to argue that there should be recission on all profit THJ made off the IP. As far as consequential damages of "loss of potential profits and subscribers" that's harder to calculate...I would assume Daybreak will request it in their pleadings though; at that point the judge would decide if there's a reasonable argument that THJ caused lost business and see if there's some rational calculation they can come up with to estimate.

THJ used the Steam download for their client, this creates a very strong link of market share competition of paying clients. The only thing deciding how financially fucked THJ devs are is if they hold enough assets to make the data analysis litigation worth it for speculative damages. They will owe every single cent that they received from payments for service and possibly even the unsolicited 'donations'. Depending on how much they spent for services from other contributors to the project the said contributors could be on the hook for that, which in itself may still appear to be income from the IRS perspective.

They're going after everything, rightly so, fuck THJ, they've really fucked over the community. Also, DBG wanted THJ shut-down but they have continued to keep the server up, it wasn't a mutual agreement it was THJ disregarding DBG entirely. The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

[Irespectwomen]

There also seemed to be some misconceptions that the court was sympathetic to THJ due to the stipend and denial to keep the investigation private. This was made apparently wrong by the courts actions yesterday denying THJ's request for more time to prepare a defense. 8/12 is when we will hear just how fucked they are, it is in the interest of the entire EQEmu community that they are painlessly put down.

[shovelquest]

I fucking hate gamers.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we could somehow point the stop killing games people towards the stop killing mods direction.

Problem one, as far as live goes for this warehoused IP they are locked into company-defined goals, which includes making sure new expansions get consumed. Modding would interfere with that already modest market share strategy.

If they permitted modding on the tlp's, back to the problem one.

And now we know, if they let the emu community get anything farther than museum piece status, they might hit you real hard.

[Irespectwomen]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fucking hate gamers.

Bro, you know that THJ intends on taking this to court and hired a top tier IP lawyer right? Do you know what the ENTIRE premise of these retards defense is going to be?

"LOOK AT THAT EQEMU COMMUNITY IT HAS EXISTED FOR 15 YEARS AND DBG DID NOTHIGN TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS FROM THEM"

That is going to be their defense. They did this as a cash grab at the expense of everything.

[Swish]

Borrowed from the Quarm discord where the same elf lawyers are shouting "OBJECTION!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem one, as far as live goes for this warehoused IP they are locked into company-defined goals, which includes making sure new expansions get consumed. Modding would interfere with that already modest market share strategy.

If they permitted modding on the tlp's, back to the problem one.

And now we know, if they let the emu community get anything farther than museum piece status, they might hit you real hard.

Sell access to mods give devs 10-30% and now you can fire your whole dev team.