Daybreak sues THJ

[Irespectwomen]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Irespectwomen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

Are legal materials identical to illegal materials in civil proceedings?

[Irespectwomen]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are legal materials identical to illegal materials in civil proceedings?

Why wouldn't they be? THJ is operated as a business though most of these pretending to be retarded white collar loopholes have been closed i'm sure. I would be surprised if THJ hasn't made well over 6 digits.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Irespectwomen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THJ are fucked, like lose your house and everything you own fucked. They hilariously thought that if they adamantly referred to their in-game services as donations then they would be protected. Drug users would never go to jail if that was any sort of legal protection lmao. My goodness the naivety of it is just crazy.

Anyways, they literally sell an xp and buff 'gift' for a 'donation', this is a business model and market strategy as most EQ players would spend a few bucks to save X amount of time, I bet DBG will show that XP potions are on of their highest grossing microtransaction to create precedence that it is a competing business model using a stolen product with a viable market strategy to optimize profit.

I'm no lawyer but I think the nature of that would open them up for speculative damages.

What really is a kick in the teeth is they continue to operate despite DBG's attempt to shut them down, I am sure continuing to allow purcha- I mean donations for in-game services. This is a sleight against the entire EQEmu community, if they gave a shit at all they would have done everything in their power to settle outside of court. Them making DBG go to court is going to force them to create legal precedent against the entire EQEmu community, say goodby to small crowdfunded servers.

I am really looking forward to this case, I wish I got to see the look on their face as they attempt to tell the Judge that these were not transactions but they were donations LOL. I hope they are appropriately punished and the EQEmu community is spared from blowback (we won't be).

No judge I did not sell that methamphetamine it was a personal gift for a donation HAHAHAAHA

Depends on what Daybreak asks for in the case. For the "donations" that THJ received, as you say those are pretty easy to do an accounting for and prove as transactions not donations, and Daybreak could try to argue that there should be recission on all profit THJ made off the IP. As far as consequential damages of "loss of potential profits and subscribers" that's harder to calculate...I would assume Daybreak will request it in their pleadings though; at that point the judge would decide if there's a reasonable argument that THJ caused lost business and see if there's some rational calculation they can come up with to estimate.

[Irespectwomen]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on what Daybreak asks for in the case. For the "donations" that THJ received, as you say those are pretty easy to do an accounting for and prove as transactions not donations, and Daybreak could try to argue that there should be recission on all profit THJ made off the IP. As far as consequential damages of "loss of potential profits and subscribers" that's harder to calculate...I would assume Daybreak will request it in their pleadings though; at that point the judge would decide if there's a reasonable argument that THJ caused lost business and see if there's some rational calculation they can come up with to estimate.

THJ used the Steam download for their client, this creates a very strong link of market share competition of paying clients. The only thing deciding how financially fucked THJ devs are is if they hold enough assets to make the data analysis litigation worth it for speculative damages. They will owe every single cent that they received from payments for service and possibly even the unsolicited 'donations'. Depending on how much they spent for services from other contributors to the project the said contributors could be on the hook for that, which in itself may still appear to be income from the IRS perspective.

They're going after everything, rightly so, fuck THJ, they've really fucked over the community. Also, DBG wanted THJ shut-down but they have continued to keep the server up, it wasn't a mutual agreement it was THJ disregarding DBG entirely. The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Irespectwomen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

Good luck. I'm behind 7 Bitcoin wallets.

[atomicpaul]

Originally Posted by Irespectwomen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THJ used the Steam download for their client, this creates a very strong link of market share competition of paying clients. The only thing deciding how financially fucked THJ devs are is if they hold enough assets to make the data analysis litigation worth it for speculative damages. They will owe every single cent that they received from payments for service and possibly even the unsolicited 'donations'. Depending on how much they spent for services from other contributors to the project the said contributors could be on the hook for that, which in itself may still appear to be income from the IRS perspective.

They're going after everything, rightly so, fuck THJ, they've really fucked over the community. Also, DBG wanted THJ shut-down but they have continued to keep the server up, it wasn't a mutual agreement it was THJ disregarding DBG entirely. The entire thing is such an overt illegal business that everyone who contributed and received payment is going to be prosecuted.

what crime are the contributors going to be charged with, officer?

i gave them thirty dollars over the course of three months. never did get my EoM but eh.

[Irespectwomen]

Originally Posted by atomicpaul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what crime are the contributors going to be charged with, officer?

i gave them thirty dollars over the course of three months. never did get my EoM but eh.

lol, I mean the development or other major contributors that received payment for their contributions, not paying customers. Goofball