New Druid Advice from the experts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not going to be timing it around ticks, lol, rather using it at the precise time to break the charm. It will lead to losing meditate ticks sometimes. This is quite minor overall, but it's still a factor for why instant cast abilities are always stronger than those with cast time. Another consideration is getting random aggro and being able to use an ability without being interrupted.

If you are not timing ticks you'll miss med ticks with Goblin Ring too. You have to be actively keeping track of ticks if you really want to try and avoid med tick loss.

[Zuranthium]

The whole point is, the more you're casting, the more frequently you will miss meditate ticks. Plus every other opportunity cost that comes from taking time to perform an action rather than being able to do it instantly.

[Goregasmic]

A 30 page argument to refuse to admit that while ROST is good, faster > slower.

This is sad.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A 30 page argument to refuse to admit that while ROST is good, faster > slower.

This is sad.

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This is the correct response to DSM.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole point is, the more you're casting, the more frequently you will miss meditate ticks. Plus every other opportunity cost that comes from taking time to perform an action rather than being able to do it instantly.

If people want to say the only benefits of instant cast invis for charm break are less potential for interrupts and perhaps a few more med ticks, that is more reasonable than the previous arguments for Goblin Ring. There is no evidence to suggest Goblin Ring helps secure kills or helps with saving nuke mana.

Ring of Stealthy Travel also provides benefits that Goblin Ring does not. Goblin Ring requires self targeting. Ring of Stealthy Travel is self cast, so you don't need to spend the time swapping back to your original target. You can also self invis at any time, saving more mana and spellbook time depending on the scenario.

Realistically the med ticks you might save are not really a factor if the player isn't tracking med ticks. They'll miss med ticks in all sorts of scenarios anyway. A 2 second cast is difficult to interrupt unless perhaps you are being attacked by multiple mobs. But in that scenario breaking charm is dangerous, as you are adding another monster into the mix that is beating you down.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the correct response to DSM.

When Loramin cannot win a debate, his only recourse is to shut down the discussion. Sorry you lost Lormain. Try using facts and logic instead of lies and fallacies next time.

[vales]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people want to say the only benefits of instant cast invis for charm break are less potential for interrupts and perhaps a few more med ticks, that is more reasonable than the previous arguments for Goblin Ring. There is no evidence to suggest Goblin Ring helps secure kills or helps with saving nuke mana.

Ring of Stealthy Travel also provides benefits that Goblin Ring does not. Goblin Ring requires self targeting. Ring of Stealthy Travel is self cast, so you don't need to spend the time swapping back to your original target. You can also self invis at any time, saving more mana and spellbook time depending on the scenario.

the evidence suggesting it helps secure kills and saves mana is in the experience of every player who has ever used it. being able to wait longer to break lets you have more control over hp, and mob hp is what determines how much mana you need to spend. instant cast removes the need to rely on rng and means less killed charmed pets when pushing for mana efficiency

"time swapping back" is pressing 1 button that works instantly (maybe even less if you add /tar to a simultaneous macro, never tried). valuing a fraction of a second of time when you don't value an instant cast and think spending 2 seconds to invis is good is very strange. and those valued milliseconds are a period of time where time spent no longer matters, because the time-sensitive action of breaking charm has already been completed

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ring of Stealthy Travel also provides benefits that Goblin Ring does not. Goblin Ring requires self targeting. Ring of Stealthy Travel is self cast, so you don't need to spend the time swapping back to your original target.

This is not how it works. Your target is the mob that isn't charmed and when breaking charm you have to swap target to the previously charmed mob anyway to deal with it since your target is rooted and you just cut loose your charmed mob on you. You have to switch target no matter what. Casting the ring is not an issue it's the retargetting that's more annoying and you do that with both rings.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by vales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the evidence suggesting it helps secure kills and saves mana is in the experience of every player who has ever used it.

I've used Goblin Ring, and I disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYCpsgMYx7A

This video shows me getting 100% XP on both mobs while also saving nuke mana.

The problem is you don't actually know when Goblin Ring helped you. You are assuming it did.

Ring of Stealthy Travel has more tangible benefits.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not how it works. Your target is the mob that isn't charmed and when breaking charm you have to swap target to the previously charmed mob anyway to deal with it since your target is rooted and you just cut loose your charmed mob on you. You have to switch target no matter what. Casting the ring is not an issue it's the retargetting that's more annoying and you do that with both rings.

You can pre target whatever you want before you break charm via Ring of Stealthy Travel because it is self cast.

This allows you to get ready before the break, rather than forcing a retarget after the break via Goblin Ring.

If you think the retargeting is more annoying, then you should use a Ring of Stealthy Travel instead.

[zelld52]

lol y’all are splitting hairs over the dumbest shit.

I leveled a necro first, so pre nerf circlet of shadow is best of both worlds.

When I leveled my enchanter I started with a GGR, but didn’t like how I had to swap to myself first before invis and then tab target to my pet. I preferred to have my pet pre-targeted by pressing F1 twice and then breaking charm. So I switched to the stealthy travel and found it much more convenient.

Turns out you don’t have to wait til the very last minute to break charm. Works well, still use it.

[zelld52]

Same on Druid. But that’s just like my opinion man