New Druid Advice from the experts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you or do you not admit that 99% (roughly) of the player's population have nothing against buying gear?

You clearly didn't understand what I meant. Let me spell it out for you.

Often times farming plat is more efficient time-wise than farming the item itself. This is a basic fact of the game, especially now when the prices on everything are so low.

With that being said, people still enjoy farming their own items, even if it ends up taking more time.

I was saying if you prefer to take the less efficient route (farming the item), then going to LoIO is fine. It's not a "bad idea", it's generally just the less efficient idea.

With that being said, not all P99 players care about efficiency. That is up to OP to decide.

Honestly it's difficult to communicate with Loramin. If you try to explain your position in detail, he complains that you wrote "a wall of text", and then he just doesn't read it.

If you try to be concise with your speech to accomodate his desire to read as little as possible, he interprets it in the worst possible way. He then refuses to listen when you say, even though he read your post wrong. Once he gets an idea in his mind, it's hard to shake.

[bcbrown]

DSM I don't think you're acknowledging that most people (including me) are taking into account that there's a miniscule chance of getting the ring while leveling in LoIO when we say it's a good idea.

I see two options for a charming druid 19-22: EK or LoIO. EK is the best because it's conveniently located, is outdoors with wide open spaces, has a convenient zoneline, a friendly guard, and has a ton of charmable mobs. LoIO is harder to get to but comes with a <1% chance of getting one of the most transformative items for a low-level charming druid that will be otherwise out of reach until the 40s or 50s.

If you're rolling a druid and you want to "be doing as much charm killing as [you] can", you can go to EK for the easiest, most convenient introduction to druid charming. Or if you don't mind the downsides I mentioned earlier and want a lottery ticket for a goblin ring, you can go to LoIO.

If you disagree with that recommendation, what's your alternative and what's your argument for it?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM I don't think you're acknowledging that most people (including me) are taking into account that there's a miniscule chance of getting the ring while leveling in LoIO when we say it's a good idea.

Loramin was suggesting otherwise:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone can see the reported drop rates here: https://wiki.project1999.com/Goblin_Gazughi_Ring, ranging from five minutes to ten hours, so I'll call it five hours. Now, those reports are likely from someone doing a two-spawn camp, but the low-level Druid can only hold a one-spawn camp, so let's double that to ten hours.

You can spend ten hours (maybe less if you are luckier) doing the exact same thing you would be doing anywhere else (killing mobs for XP)...

This makes it sound like it's quite easy to get a Goblin Ring at low levels. The price history shows otherwise, and that is typically much more accurate than the wiki.

If everybody else agrees that Goblin Ring has a low drop rate, awesome! We are in agreement that you shouldn't expect a Goblin Ring to drop.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you disagree with that recommendation, what's your alternative and what's your argument for it?

You found some of my posts:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=291

You don't get Charm until level 14. So you can kill in the Warrens before you get charm to get loot and faction. Once you hit 14 you can charm the bats if you want, which are levels 14-16. Once you get higher level and have good faction, you can kill guards for money for a few levels. That would be more efficient, at the sacrifice of a bit of charming.

You can disagree with me and say there isn't enough charming, or you think Heretic faction is worthless. OP can make those decisions for themselves.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everybody else agrees that Goblin Ring has a low drop rate, awesome! We are in agreement that you shouldn't expect a Goblin Ring to drop.

I'm glad you can finally acknowledge what I've been saying this entire time:

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there's a 1% chance it's still worth considering. If there was no goblin ring it'd still be a good suggestion for a charming druid in the teens and low 20s.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then go check out LoIO for a couple levels and a lottery ticket before heading back to EK.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if there's only a 1% chance of getting a ring it's still a great spot to level a druid for a couple levels.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trying to argue something about the drop rate of the goblin ring, but the fact remains that it's a good early charm zone for a druid and there's at least some small chance of getting a ring.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the primary reason you're unlikely to come away with a ring after leveling there isn't because of how rare the drop is - it's because you can't sustain holding down a spawn point while it's blue while solo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad you can finally acknowledge what I've been saying this entire time:

You are not reading my posts again.

I don't agree that a lottery ticket is more efficient than farming plat. If you want to farm Goblin Ring that is fine. It's not a bad idea, just don't expect to get one. In the more probable scenario where you don't get a Goblin Ring, you will be behind someone who did plat camps instead. Not every player cares about efficiency. That is up to OP to decide.

The agreement is you acknowledge Goblin Ring isn't going to be a common drop you have a good chance of getting. Thanks for the agreement on that point.

[bcbrown]

I don't think you're reading my posts. I'm telling you we've been in agreement about the low chance of getting a ring the entire time. I'm glad you now acknowledge that.

As for the leveling suggestions for someone who wants to "be doing as much charm killing as I can, not super interested in quadding or root rott/nuke playstyle", you're recommending Warrens into Paneel and I'm recommending EK, maybe LoIO for a bit if you want a lottery ticket. I think we can leave it there.

[Jimjam]

Lotteries may not be efficient payback, but you have to be in it to win it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you're reading my posts. I'm telling you we've been in agreement about the low chance of getting a ring the entire time. I'm glad you now acknowledge that.

As for the leveling suggestions for someone who wants to "be doing as much charm killing as I can, not super interested in quadding or root rott/nuke playstyle", you're recommending Warrens into Paneel and I'm recommending EK, maybe LoIO for a bit if you want a lottery ticket. I think we can leave it there.

I did read your post. The quotes you provided were not exclusively about the low drop chance. They had another point where you prefer LoIO. You didn't specify which point was commonly acknowledged. You like to waste people's time with attempted gotcha posts, so I needed to clarify where the agreement was.

[bcbrown]

Well I'm glad that's all settled now.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With that being said, not all P99 players care about efficiency. That is up to OP to decide.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The OP literally titled the thread "New Druid Advice from the experts".