I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While it was a distraction from your thread, I feel you accomplished a huge task. For years this person has been claiming people who don’t offhand swap melee every couple seconds are lazy and unskilled. Turns out they were just basing this on outsourcing the labor to programmable hardware.

Agreed. Thanks! Since I am probably a masochist, I did do a test on my Monk to show what Offhand Swapping would look like on P99 using the legal method. No scripts, no special mice, no special hardware, no eye tracking (lol), etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH304a1EIjQ - Watch the first 10 minutes for the swapping. Second half is the test without swapping.

I was using TStaff in my Main Hand with 34% worn Haste. I was swapping to Addy Club on my Offhand between TStaff swings. Not saying I am great at it since this was my first time trying:

DPS with Offhand Swapping: 34970 over 604 seconds = 57.9 DPS
DPS without Offhand Swapping: 32121 over 598 seconds = 53.7 DPS

I did get like 4 DPS more with swapping to Addy Club. Monks do have much better hand to hand damage compared to every other class though, so I doubt a Warrior would even get a positive DPS boost by doing this. My DPS was probably being helped a decent amount by Monk Fist Damage with the Epic Fist modification.

The offhand swapping took way too much of my focus away from the game. It was tough to do anything else. You can see a few times where I messed up the swaps because I got distracted by something. This strategy is really not worth doing on P99 in my opinion.

I'm sure Zuranthium will call me a bad player or something. But he will probably never provide real evidence of himself doing this offhand swapping, so it's my evidence vs. his word now.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

No I didn't. You have absolutely shit reading comprehension.

Offhand weapon swapping is perfectly viable with a totally "normal" setup as long as your haste % is not too high; higher mechanical ability will result in higher and higher potential performance. Someone has even talked about how they've used it in this thread. Maybe the p99 client is not as good as the classic client, but goal of p99 is to get there, so what's important is discussing how things are supposed to be.

And no, it's not punishable to use a more precise mouse, but keep pretending like you're an admin (while admitting you would hack all users' computers to check for such a thing) when you aren't. Anyone can also change the mouse sensitivity settings on their computer, just as people have also done things like turn up their gamma a ton to curb the effects of nightblindness in game. There's been 0 punishment ever.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I am probably a masochist, I did do a test on my Monk to show what Offhand Swapping would look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH304a1EIjQ

You're either a troll or completely lost. This is all wrong. The whole point is to swap after the Two-hander swing, and without fist damage (you can not leave auto-attack on). You're just spamming the swap with zero regard to when the Two-hand swing is actually happening. Look at how the vast majority of your hits are "you punch", and not "you crush" (attacking with actual weapons). It shouldn't ever say punch.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I didn't. You have absolutely shit reading comprehension...

And no, it's not punishable to use a more precise mouse...

Let's read your quote again:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want

It is clear that "something" is a script or piece of hardware that saves positions on the screen. This allows you to click those saved positions instantly. With this setup, you don't need to move the mouse to these positions with your hand. That isn't allowed on P99.

If you were simply trying to describe how a mouse works, it was a poor description. It isn't an issue with my reading comprehension. Everybody knows how a mouse works, so I don't see the logical reason why you were trying to describe how a mouse works.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're either a troll or completely lost. This is all wrong. The whole point is to swap after the Two-hander swing, and without fist damage (you can not leave auto-attack on). You're just spamming the swap with zero regard to when the Two-hand swing is actually happening. Look at how the vast majority of your hits are "you punch", and not "you crush" (attacking with actual weapons). It shouldn't ever say punch.

The video shows how obnoxious it is to do all of that clicking. As I said in my previous post, it took way too much focus away from the game to maintain those mouse clicks without messing up. Could I get better at this? Probably. I said this was my first time trying. The focus requirement is too much for normal play in my opinion, so I won't be using this strategy.

I await the video of you doing it way better! Please show us how it's done with your "precise mouse".

[Jimjam]

Hmm could you make a custom ui where the hotbar slot 1 button is also the next hot bar page button?

That way you could click the button, unequipping 2hs and changing to page 2, click again, swapping cursored item from 2hs to 1hs and changing to page 3, click again equipping 1hs to secondary and changing to page 4, click again to unequip 1hs and change to page 5, click again to change cursored item from 1hs to 2hs and change to page 6, then finally click again to equip 2hs to primary and change to page 7… then you’d have to hit your hotkey to go to page 1 and start the process again after 2hs swings…

Edit: you’d also need to disable autoattack before unequipping 2hs obviously. And on again after equipping secondary and maybe off and on again while juggling back to 2hs.

[Snaggles]

I forget outside swapping offhand weapons in and out every 2 seconds, Zuranthium is toggling attack on and off.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That isn't allowed on P99.

We all only know what the Play Nice Policies say, ie.:

5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable.

But the line:

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

is the only one that even comes close to supporting your position. However, it doesn't, because it clearly doesn't cover programming a keyboard (or mouse) in a way that doesn't involve creating multiple inputs. The only way it could is if keyboard(/mouse) software was considered "third-party" ... but the line I quoted strongly suggests that keyboard/mouse software isn't unless it meets that criteria.

Side note: As it happens, I'm responsible for that line being added to the PnP ... but in my defense, I did not propose that verbiage (and wasn't a fan of it). I was just happy to see something added to the PnP at all, so I didn't push back on the potential issues I saw with what GM Derubael wrote (I think it was him; this was years ago).

For the record, I think the standard should be "you can't program your input devices to do anything a normal mouse/keyboard can't otherwise do". But, the staff writes the rules, and as written the PnP doesn't explicitly prohibit what Zura has proposed.

[Naethyn]

How does it translate to steam deck controller? It combines single buttons into things like alt + click or ctrl + click.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all only know what the Play Nice Policies say, ie.:



But the line:



is the only one that even comes close to supporting your position. However, it doesn't, because it clearly doesn't cover programming a keyboard (or mouse) in a way that doesn't involve creating multiple inputs. The only way it could is if keyboard(/mouse) software was considered "third-party" ... but the line I quoted strongly suggests that keyboard/mouse software isn't unless it meets that criteria.

Side note: As it happens, I'm responsible for that line being added to the PnP ... but in my defense, I did not propose that verbiage (and wasn't a fan of it). I was just happy to see something added to the PnP at all, so I didn't push back on the potential issues I saw with what GM Derubael wrote (I think it was him; this was years ago).

For the record, I think the standard should be "you can't program your input devices to do anything a normal mouse/keyboard can't otherwise do". But, the staff writes the rules, and as written the PnP doesn't explicitly prohibit what Zura has proposed.

I disagree with your assessment. It says "not limited to" in the hardware section. The point of that language is to say the example given isn't the only thing banned, it's just an example.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651

This is not limited to programmable keyboards or other input devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

If the devs want to come out and say it's fine, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Until then, I wouldn't advise doing something that could be banned based on the language of the rule.

EDIT: The rules are written slightly different in the PnP and the Guidebook. Both posts were last updated at the end of 2024 and the Guidebool was updated a month later, so it isn't like the guidebook is stale. The devs will hopefully clarify what they mean.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm could you make a custom ui where the hotbar slot 1 button is also the next hot bar page button?

That way you could click the button, unequipping 2hs and changing to page 2, click again, swapping cursored item from 2hs to 1hs and changing to page 3

Try it out!

Also speaking of custom UI, interesting how it's allowed to completely change that function of the game with a 3RD PARTY PROGRAM, creating significant advantages over using just the standard Everquest UI, yet there is a spazz here trying to argue that they could somehow detect and police what kind of mouse settings people are using to play the game.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try it out!

Also speaking of custom UI, interesting how it's allowed to completely change that function of the game with a 3RD PARTY PROGRAM, creating significant advantages over using just the standard Everquest UI, yet there is a spazz here trying to argue that they could somehow detect and police what kind of mouse settings people are using to play the game.

You don't seem to understand what things like third party programs actually are. Perhaps that is why you are confused. You've said before GINA shouldn't be used, even though the rules specify log reading programs are OK. You think UI modifications are third party programs when they are not. The client has a UI modification system already built in to it. That is what people use to make new UIs. So it's not too suprising you don't fully understand what kind of hardware is allowed.

You can do what you want. I am just warning you that what you are suggesting may be against the rules, and you can be banned for it. It's not worth taking the risk on an account you've put a lot of time into.

And yes, they can detect bot or hardware like behavior by looking at the data you send up to the server. If you are doing more mouse clicks per second than what is thought possible, they may see that as suspicious.